Marty,                                                                                                                                                   Wow, $35 for a box of 20rds. is a little steep. Definately not what I would want to go to the range with. The .40 S&W's that I bought were 50 rd. law enforcement boxes for about the same price. Have you seen or tried the solid copper bullets that Taurus came out with ? They open up REAL nice, but the petals aren't pointed like the Talons.

Yes, it's a shame that things have gone the way that they have. I like to jig fish at night and in the last several years I've had three seperate incidents where I've had a firm grip on my pistol hoping that I didn't have to use it. I've had a knife pulled on me one night. Another night some drunk crawled out of his truck and started waving a very large revolver at the teenagers a few yards away from me accusing them of stealing HIS spot. On another night I found myself with my back literally against the wall with five russian snaggers in my face. I'll be ****ed if I'm gonna give up my passion for night fishing and I refuse to be a victim {atleast not without a fight}.
   Better to be judged by one than to be carried by six!!!
Steve