There is talk of $300B in frozen Russian assets that the EU was planning to use to rebuild Ukraine. They are considering to use to support war efforts. They have already used the interest from these funds for war efforts. Ukraine can likely last a long time with those funds and likely sell the mineral rights to EU countries to double that amount.

EU starting WW3??? You mean when Ukraine invaded Russia???

First Lady Initiatives...through the years:    (and this is not made up)
 
Eleanor Roosevelt - Women's Rights
Jackie Kennedy - White House Restoration
Betty Ford - Substance Abuse
Nancy Reagan - "Just Say No" Substance Abuse
Barbara and Laura Bush - Childhood Literacy
Melania Trump - Revenge Porn

WW3? Russia has been grinding away at Ukraine for two years with very little to show for it. The best way to avoid WW3 would be for The West to continue to let Russian military punch itself in the face by fighting a war in Ukraine that it clearly can not win. The longer they fight a losing battle, the weaker they get.

Putin has only held out this long because he knew there was a chance Trump would get elected again, which would create favorable conditions for him to grab more Russian territory (surprise surprise he was right).

If the US and the EU were united right now, Putin would be the one looking for a ceasefire.

Porktown
There is talk of $300B in frozen Russian assets that the EU was planning to use to rebuild Ukraine. They are considering to use to support war efforts. They have already used the interest from these funds for war efforts. Ukraine can likely last a long time with those funds and likely sell the mineral rights to EU countries to double that amount.

EU starting WW3??? You mean when Ukraine invaded Russia???

 


 That's why Zelenski wouldn't sign the mineral deal with Trump. Trump said the minerals were for back debt and not for any support going forward. A no brainer not to sign after that period. Don't think Donald was going to help them much anyway.

Porktown

dano
This is how Putin negotiates.
After Trump gets elected, Russians state TV runs nude pics of Melania Trump during prime time.
Figure that one out. 

Wow. This is the first that I have heard of this. Crazy.

https://m.youtube.com/wat...;t=87s&pp=2AFXkAIB

 
Sad to see that no one came to Melania's defense except Melania herself.
It shouldn't matter if you are a rep or dem, Trump hater or lover.  This is our First Lady of our Country. 
Putin is sending a message. I'm not 100% sure on this but I think he is telling us, that he absolutely has no respect for Trump or us Americans. He's going to do whatever he wants. He's running the show. 
 The guy is a deranged POS and can't be trusted with any agreement, pact or ceasefire. He may balk at but really won't care about some minerals deal. Zelensky knows that Putin will just bide his time and in 5 or 10 years, will find some reason to invade.
  Putin doesn't respond to diplomacy or weakness or words on a piece of paper. He only respects strength. 
The one person who has met him with strength and defiance is Zelensky. He's a thorn in Putin's side and Putin wants the little runt dead. That's respect. Remember when Putin said he would take Kiev in two weeks?

Porktown


EU starting WW3??? You mean when Ukraine invaded Russia???

 
 if EU put a coalition force in to force Russia out of eastern Uke and Crimea, that would kick off WWIII 
the alternative to coalition troops is to continue funding the trench war stalemate for years hoping Putin dies. 
 
are there any other choices for a Uke win? 
 
Whatever the decisions going forward, it's all Europe's to decide now.
 
KTF 
 
 

dano
  Putin doesn't respond to diplomacy or weakness or words on a piece of paper. He only respects strength. 
The one person who has met him with strength and defiance is Zelensky. He's a thorn in Putin's side and Putin wants the little runt dead. That's respect. Remember when Putin said he would take Kiev in two weeks?

A foreign leader puts nude photos of his wife on their national TV. His response, give them everything they want. That sure is strength.

dano

Porktown

dano
This is how Putin negotiates.
After Trump gets elected, Russians state TV runs nude pics of Melania Trump during prime time.
Figure that one out. 

Wow. This is the first that I have heard of this. Crazy.

https://m.youtube.com/wat...;t=87s&pp=2AFXkAIB

 
Sad to see that no one came to Melania's defense except Melania herself.
It shouldn't matter if you are a rep or dem, Trump hater or lover.  This is our First Lady of our Country. 
Putin is sending a message. I'm not 100% sure on this but I think he is telling us, that he absolutely has no respect for Trump or us Americans. He's going to do whatever he wants. He's running the show. 
 The guy is a deranged POS and can't be trusted with any agreement, pact or ceasefire. He may balk at but really won't care about some minerals deal. Zelensky knows that Putin will just bide his time and in 5 or 10 years, will find some reason to invade.
  Putin doesn't respond to diplomacy or weakness or words on a piece of paper. He only respects strength. 
The one person who has met him with strength and defiance is Zelensky. He's a thorn in Putin's side and Putin wants the little runt dead. That's respect. Remember when Putin said he would take Kiev in two weeks?

Vladimir Putin is a pig.  Unfortunately, he's a pig with everything going his way right now and you are absolutely correct about the ONLY thing Putin respects.  
Our foreign policy is now aligned with Russia's world view (Kremlin's words) and we have abandoned any responsibility and shred of honor and decency with our abandonment of Ukriane.  This isn't a surprise, as Trump literally was able to halt aide in congress before he was even president....imagine that.  I hope and pray that Europe is able to put together a support package and that we don't seek to undermine the process of Ukraine defending itself.  The peace plan is now a "shiny thing" for Trump that he can't have and we all know how he gets when he can't have something he wants.  
 
So, for all of his supporters, congrats on getting what you so desperately wanted for some reason.  In any other world America and Americans would be pulling for this underdog of democracy facing down a world dictatorship, led by a brutal murdering criminal who has secured his power and wealth in the most disgusting ways.  If Europe doesn't pull through we call all watch the slow decimation of the Ukranian cities, culminating with the mass****of its women once the ground forces can take control and the sale of its children and women on the dark web by the Russian mob.  This is not hyperbole, it is a fact.  Russia has won over many Americans with a constant stream of propaganda and bots over the last many years.  That propaganda has eaten a hole right into the American psyche and begun to rot.  Rest assured, when Russia comes for the hug, we will have a knife in our back.  

genieman77

Porktown


EU starting WW3??? You mean when Ukraine invaded Russia???

 
 if EU put a coalition force in to force Russia out of eastern Uke and Crimea, that would kick off WWIII 
the alternative to coalition troops is to continue funding the trench war stalemate for years hoping Putin dies. 
 
are there any other choices for a Uke win? 
 
Whatever the decisions going forward, it's all Europe's to decide now.
 
KTF 
 
 

yeah, there aren't many good choices here.  Possibly once the Europeans pick up the support and Putin sees that the stalemate will be prolonged he will come to the table.  My assumption is that he wants NATO guarantees about Ukraine at the end of the day.  Ukraine is the doorway to Europe and/or the Asian continent from Europe.  He knows that.  I believe this war to be more strategic than some give it credit for.  Russia wants a guarantee against a land invasion...plugging the hole in Ukraine is that guarantee.  

Porktown

dano
  Putin doesn't respond to diplomacy or weakness or words on a piece of paper. He only respects strength. 
The one person who has met him with strength and defiance is Zelensky. He's a thorn in Putin's side and Putin wants the little runt dead. That's respect. Remember when Putin said he would take Kiev in two weeks?

A foreign leader puts nude photos of his wife on their national TV. His response, give them everything they want. That sure is strength.

Can't make it up...
In other news, I'm so offended by this I might just need to check these out to reallllyyy see how offended I am