2025/03/23 15:18:29
MyWar
genieman77
MyWar


So why is that my problem if you can’t send your kid to school?



IMO, the answer to that hinges on this question
will a society be better or worse if over half the genpop can't read or 'rithmetic?
 if determined worse, would it be werzer enuff  to decide public funded education is essential?
 
 
KTF


Well what is your opinion on the answer to that question?

I’d like a conservative to explain to me why public schools should exist.

Because frankly I’m tired of paying for them. I don’t have kids. I went to catholic school and paid my own college education. I never have and never will receive any benefit from this system and there are plenty of other people like me in this country. Why should we be required to fund the education of others?
2025/03/23 16:25:40
Porktown
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=00&div=0&chpt=3#:~:text=%C2%A7%252014.&text=The%2520General%2520Assembly%2520shall%2520provide,the%2520needs%2520of%2520the%2520Commonwealth.


https://www.usconstitutio...-fathers-on-education/
2025/03/23 18:30:35
genieman77
MyWar


Well what is your opinion on the answer to that question?



 
What's funny, I'm considered "conservative" here? but the other site I frequent, I'm considered liberal 
 
 
anyway, I think it essential all learn basic education fundamentals.
I believe it makes us a better society in general.
 
It gives the opportunity for le$$ fortunate to advance beyond what would in effect would be a "cast system" they would be stuck in.
 
It also affords the opportunity to imbue (indoctrinate if you prefer) a national identity, national goals, national principles, national unity.
I consider that critical to prevent multiculturalism becoming so tribal it spawns tribal war
 
is there a better way to fund it than property taxes?
donno, I'm willing to discuss it.
Not willing to support abolishing public funded 
 
Might be shocking to some, but i vote for school levies.
No kids in school (youngest graduated in '04,)  and my g'kids aren't in  my school district 
 
 
 
KTF  
 
 
 
2025/03/23 19:22:17
Irisheyeball
Yinz guys are getting "owned."
2025/03/23 21:50:51
MyWar
genieman77
 
anyway, I think it essential all learn basic education fundamentals.
I believe it makes us a better society in general.
 
It gives the opportunity for le$$ fortunate to advance beyond what would in effect would be a "cast system" they would be stuck in.
 
It also affords the opportunity to imbue (indoctrinate if you prefer) a national identity, national goals, national principles, national unity.
I consider that critical to prevent multiculturalism becoming so tribal it spawns tribal war
 
is there a better way to fund it than property taxes?
donno, I'm willing to discuss it.
Not willing to support abolishing public funded
 


Interesting.

If I said that society as a whole, benefited from having an educated populace, would you agree with that statement?
2025/03/23 21:58:03
MyWar
Porktown
https://www.legis.state.p...0the%2520Commonwealth.


https://www.usconstitutio...-fathers-on-education/


There are so many ads on here I can’t even make heads or tails … but ima go out on a limb and assume the founding fathers were in favor of public education?
2025/03/23 22:11:36
Mitchell
MyWar

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

Why don’t we just make the people that have kids pay for the education of their children out of their own pockets? Why use any public funds at all?

Can any of the conservative minded folks tell me why this is a bad idea?



 
OMG!!
A subject I can actually agree with MyWAR on. Who'da thunk it!
 
Your question is something I can't answer, eccept if it's just one of those known American truisms: You will pay taxes and like it.
2025/03/24 06:06:03
genieman77
MyWar


If I said that society as a whole, benefited from having an educated populace, would you agree with that statement?



 
Yes, and said as much in my second sentence 
 
"I believe it makes us a better society in general"
 
KTF 
2025/03/24 06:47:39
DarDys
My issue with paying school taxes when I never had kids in the system, and thereby don’t use the system directly (I get the educated society thing), centers on those that do have kids in the system getting a discount on their taxes, at least federal, in the form of a tax deduction, while I pay full freight for their kids to use the system. In no other instance do I see someone that doesn’t use something pay for someone who does use something, while the one who uses it pays little to nothing.

It’s akin to me visiting an area that has an additional sales tax to fund a sports stadium that I will never use while the team owners, who will reap the benefits, pay nothing.

I do understand that it is my local taxes, without dependent deductions, that pays a portion for schools, but so do the state and federal. Heck, I’ve lived in this area (same school district) for 35+ years, and I couldn’t even tell you where the schools are.

In addition, we live in a 6-house development that has a private road, so my local taxes do not got to plow or maintain it (it exits onto a state road, so no local involvement there). The utility infrastructure was paid for by the developers, so I paid for it when I bought the ground and I pay for the services as well. The police are not permitted on the property unless called, something that has never happened. The fire department is volunteer. The EMT service is a paid service. We don’t have street lights that the township pays to light. If I use the court system to look up deeds, get a gun permit, etc., I pay to do so.

Why am I paying these property taxes again (as I write the spring check and await the fall bill)?
2025/03/24 07:39:27
Porktown
MyWar

There are so many ads on here I can’t even make heads or tails … but ima go out on a limb and assume the founding fathers were in favor of public education?


First link is the PA State Constitution (without any ads). Shows pretty clearly what our founding fathers thought of education.

The second shows where the founding fathers were on education on a national level. It is not specifically written in the US Constitution, but there was a law passed for every state to join the Union must have public education.

I’m pretty confident that you fully support public education as you seem to support most publicly funded services. I’m guessing you are masterfully baiting some. I’m just shocked a few haven’t went back and edited their messages to follow the FoxNews, voucher/privatization party line. I’m sure some will in the next couple of days.

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