crappiefisher
"Out on a limb?" Did you watch the ticktock video?

Ah sorry lol, I didn’t but I’ll check it out when I get a minute.

Lots of variable make test scores.
In the City BOE I represented our lower grade schools often had about a 14 percent annual change of students year to year. Therefore the 6th grade classes would only have a small group of kids who had been in our system from first grade on.
We had about 12,000 kids in our system.
Our inner city community was in constant flux--we were a kind of first entry City for lack of a better term.
The English language was difficult at best for many of the younger kids and often it wasnt spoken at home much less parents being able to read it to help their kids, we had numerous bilingual ed classes. Not just Spanish as many might think but in some European languages as well. All at great cost to the Board of ed.
Tough to accurately address the quality of ed with these kinds of variable existing all the time.
A real smart kid may well be underperforming due to language issues.
I used to ask how the kids we had from beginning in grade schools did compared to the overall scores and found that the ones who we had over time when reaching 6th grade, were doing quite well even though our average scores were much lower.
As soon as kids began middle and High schools  their scores went up dramatically as the parents were becoming stabilized and not moving from town to town for opportunities as when their families were younger and kids were learning English. 
 A guy I worked with came to America with his wife and they had 2 children -when his kids got to school age they moved back to Italy. Seems they never spoke English at home or in their neighborhood and realized the kids would have huge issues in school.
We also had a tech school and a Magnet school in town with around 3 to 4 thousand students between them. I was on the Board of the State agency running the magnet schools as well, and my sons attended the Tech school.
These are as close to private ( even though still State controlled) as my experiences gave me and were vastly different in their
academic accomplishments.
No language issues, more parental involvement and goal oriented students wanting something more mean a lot.
 

Porktown

psu_fish
PA keeps throwing money into education, but yet test scores dont improve, and my real estate property school taxes each July keep going up…

https://triblive.com/loca...pandemic-results-show/

You know they are down across the country, right? Who would have thought removing kids from a classroom would have test scores down? Especially the youngest kids and those that have parents that weren’t able to be at home helping them actually learn and not just get by. I’d think even PSU branch campus education would require that sort of comprehension skills?

Fed closing education is just shifting taxes. The states that give a chit about equal access to education will raise theirs to capture, the others will just push to local. Most taxes are local regardless. Wealthy areas are already spending 2-3 times the amount of not more as poor areas. Guess who has better test scores, safer schools, nicer facilities, more to offer students? If you give a chit about your kids’ education, you buck up and pay the higher taxes. If you don’t or you don’t have kids, you move to areas with lower taxes. If you sort of give a chit, there are districts for that too… Pretty simple.

Well seeing that we work with my 1st grader nightly on his homework, and he made the accelerated reader hall of fame with 2+ months left in school year, I don't really lean on the teachers unions, which totally ruined a generation of kids with lockdowns.

That GD Randi Weingarten should've been fired.

Actually, the pro lockdown School Board members got voted out here locally in 2023, but the damage was already done, and all the covid cash was wasted on stupid stuff.

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

Why don’t we just make the people that have kids pay for the education of their children out of their own pockets? Why use any public funds at all?

Can any of the conservative minded folks tell me why this is a bad idea?

I m sure homeschoolers agree with you. I mean I went 8 years of home ownership before needing the local school in 2023-2024 school year, I would gladly take that money back. And when they both graduate, back in same boat.

But the reason it will never happen, its the logistical and financial nightmare it would be to collect payment. The 3 taxing bodies (County, municipal, school) already build a non payment fudge factor into their budgets, usually like 1.5-3%

So it’s easier to screw everybody and charge real estate taxes regardless of children in school. Rendell sold the whole casino money paying for schools, but my “Homestead” exclusion from gambling revenues is $185 a year.

Shapiro was pro school voucher then flipped flopped. Pretty sure he left it out of his 2025 budget proposal.

But some of these online and charter schools are shady as hell. I think you would see a mass exodus from public back to catholic and faith based over online charters.

When I did the ed thing it cost about $10,000 per kid per year, including all expenses of the dozen schools we maintained.
Property taxed per house in town averaged about $3,500 each back then. 
With an average family having 1.4 kids that was a $14,000 cost in those houses just for the education dept alone,.
For years 1 through 12 the  Ed cost for that family alone were far and away more than the property taxes over decades.
Clearly thats why we all chip in even when our turn with kids is over.
In towns that split their tax billing between Ed and municipal ED is about half every year, Its the biggest single municipal expense.
Also the cost for handicapped kids can be huge per year.

psu_fish

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

Why don’t we just make the people that have kids pay for the education of their children out of their own pockets? Why use any public funds at all?

Can any of the conservative minded folks tell me why this is a bad idea?

I m sure homeschoolers agree with you. I mean I went 8 years of home ownership before needing the local school in 2023-2024 school year, I would gladly take that money back. And when they both graduate, back in same boat.

But the reason it will never happen, its the logistical and financial nightmare it would be to collect payment. The 3 taxing bodies (County, municipal, school) already build a non payment fudge factor into their budgets, usually like 1.5-3%

So it’s easier to screw everybody and charge real estate taxes regardless of children in school. Rendell sold the whole casino money paying for schools, but my “Homestead” exclusion from gambling revenues is $185 a year.

Shapiro was pro school voucher then flipped flopped. Pretty sure he left it out of his 2025 budget proposal.

But some of these online and charter schools are shady as hell. I think you would see a mass exodus from public back to catholic and faith based over online charters.

What exactly is this incoherent mess of a post supposed to mean exactly?

crappiefisher
"Out on a limb?" Did you watch the ticktock video?

You got a non tik tok link? I can’t get this to work without installing tik tok

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

In NY, the state pays roughly half my school tax. The last three years they paid nearly all of it. 
The rebate program goes to homeowners who make under 1/2 million married or 1/4 million single. 
Starting this year, Seniors get a special exemption to local school tax. If a Senior makes under 55K, they are completely exempt from school taxes. 
Prorated after 55K. 

anyone against  Trump's healthcare transparency exec order? 
 
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-signs-price-transparency-executive-order-2025-02-25/
 
 
KTF 

dano

MyWar

dano
It's not the federal government's responsibility to financially support our local schools. It shouldn't be the State's responsibility either.
Funding of schools should lie completely on the local taxpayers.

Let’s go even further.

I don’t have any kids. Why should my taxes pay for any schools at all? That’s not my financial responsibility.

In NY, the state pays roughly half my school tax. The last three years they paid nearly all of it. 
The rebate program goes to homeowners who make under 1/2 million married or 1/4 million single. 
Starting this year, Seniors get a special exemption to local school tax. If a Senior makes under 55K, they are completely exempt from school taxes. 
Prorated after 55K. 

Doesn’t answer my question though,

Why should I have to pay for schools at all if I don’t have children? Why use any public funds for education? Why not just make all parents pay out of their own pocket?