2024/11/11 07:34:54
DarDys
There is a lot of media attention focused on “the resistance” — not of policies, but of any policies put forth by Trump — simply because of the source of the proposal and not because of the content of the proposal. In other words, against anything if if was a Trump idea, even if those forming the resistance have constituents that may favor the policy — such as things like no tax on tips, no tax on OT, no tax on SS (just examples because there are folks who don’t mind giving money to the government).

To see just how much resolve the resistance has, if the GOP has all three branches, then each policy, such as the above, needs put in separate, one-page bills, with no riders, simply something like, “starting on X date there will no longer be a federal income tax on (fill in the blank). That’s it. Vote on it. Get as many if these on the floor in 2 years as possible. Done will pass, others will not.

Then let your constituents decide in the next house or senate election if they prefer the policy (takes Trump out of the equation) or prefers resistance to Trump at any cost, even personally financial.
2024/11/11 08:37:36
woodnickle
This
2024/11/11 09:04:48
r3g3
TRUMP winning again.
Sooo many just can't stand it   lol
2024/11/11 09:40:44
dano
JerryS
 
Just a couple of many things that don't make sense to me.  Maybe the Trump supporters here can help me understand their view.
 
The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation.  Three major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce.  I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong?
 
Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers.  If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?



 Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
 
Tariffs would most likely be the biggest inflationary threat. Trump repeats that foreign nations pay these tariffs but I haven't found any proof of that. 
The reason that Industry out source is because it's cheaper to produce overseas than the US. When Industry pays more, they charge more. If they could have it made here at the same price, they would, but they can't. Also, the tit for tat tariff war that follows would have an impact on US exports. 
 
Elon Musk gambled $150 million in campaign contributions. No one knows what his strategy is. I'm sure it's going to pay off somehow. 
2024/11/11 10:17:31
bigfoot
Correct me if I’m wrong but the president no matter who he/she is can’t just up and deport undocumented immigrants. Maybe the criminals but the others once they are here have rights and have to go through the legal system. I can’t imagine how long that would take so I suppose most of them if they choose to do so will stay here.
2024/11/11 10:49:42
dano
JerryS
 Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers.  If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?

I can only speculate because there is no way my brain can think and process with the likes of an Elon Musk type noggin.
 Tesla is the only profitable car maker in the US. It's also has the most American built vehicle in the US.   
The elimination of the $7500 EV rebate would probably hurt GM and Ford more as both have been putting a dent in Tesla's EV sales. Maybe he looks at this in a way that helps secure Tesla's dominance in the EV market. It hurts his business but hurts his competitors much more.
 Or maybe Trump promised him not to cut or just partially cut the EV rebate. Maybe?
 Now, tariffs would hurt GM and Ford across the board much more than Tesla as those two import a high percentage of parts from overseas and their profit margins are already razor thin so, both tariffs or sourcing all their components domestically increases Ford's and GM cost to build which increases the MSRP.
All good for Tesla's pricing power and could make buying a Tesla more attractive. 50% of Ford's F-150 components are made overseas. Plastic parts are made in China. The Tesla Cyber Truck (and Honda Ridgeline) is the most American made pickup trucks sold in the US which would be less hurt by tariffs.
2024/11/11 11:11:44
JerryS
dano
 
 
 Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
 



Not just the southwest.  Anywhere I travel, I notice all the hotels use immigrants for the housekeeping staff.  When visiting larger cities I see construction crews staffed primarily with immigrant workers.
 
Studies show undocumented workers pay almost $100B in taxes every year, including Social Security and Medicare even though they are not eligible for these benefits.  They also pay higher income tax rates than US citizens since they are not eligible for most of the tax credits.
 
I admit the southern border has gotten out of control, and needs addressed, but mass deportation of hard working, law abiding undocumented immigrants is counter-productive.  Trump has convinced his followers that the undocumented are the reason for all our society ills, specifically their own lack of success.  
2024/11/11 12:02:26
JerryS
genieman77
JerryS
 
 
But Trump and other GOP are against bringing manufacturing back by repealing the CHIPs Act?




 
welp, I'll suggest that's political rhetoric not based on reality.
 
maybe it had more to do with hundreds of billions going to pork projects like ecosystems,  DEI and research grants rather than actual subsidies to build CHIP plants 
 
To suggest they're against manufacturing is political baloney talking points for nincompoops to regurgitate
 
 
..L.T.A.   




Off-shore labor is the bread-and-butter of our capitalist country.  Trump and all his lobbyists wanting to bring the manufacturing back to the US is not based on reality.
2024/11/11 12:11:28
r3g3
Just because  some people on the lower end of the work scale are dark and speak another language doesnt mean they are here illegally, they came and now work hard and are assimilating just like the ancestors of so many of us.

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