genieman77

MyWar


Serious question - How long do you think it’s gonna be before people turn on Trump if he can’t deliver on his promises? And I don’t mean you people who are firmly in trumps camp already
I mean average voters

 
I'm reasonably sure "average voters" will see that "you people" will be obstructionists to any  and everything he attempts to do.
even when "you people" agree with it, you'll do your best to foul it if Trump proposes 
 
watch and see 
 
..L.T.A.
 
 

Just a couple of many things that don't make sense to me.  Maybe the Trump supporters here can help me understand their view.
 
The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation.  Three major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce.  I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong?
 
Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers.  If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?

genieman77

JerryS
 



 
The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation. 

 
economy, deficit, immigration, foreign policy weakness, agendas too far left for the majority of independents that decide elections, et al
 all part of it, the aggregate of which was a clear mandate and should be a wake up call to the dems   
 
 
 

JerrySThree major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce.  I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong?

 
I don't think you are wrong, Jer.
We'll have to see how much the tariffs will offset tax cuts .
 
Little doubt in my mind, many things will cost more.
Leaning isolationist personally, it's bitter pill I'm willing to swallow to bring more manufacturing back.
I won't see the benefit of it, But my grandkids will
 I firmly believe more manufacturing here makes us a stronger, less vulnerable nation.
(Covid demonstrated our vulnerability/dependency)     
 
 

JerrySAnother head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers.  If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?

 
don't know.
I'm not sure Musk cares.
He knew he'd take a hit in sales from the greenies and leftists that loved him until he "came out" as leaning right.
 
and who knows, maybe Musk sees more billions in gov contracts from space and com tech stuff??
 
 
..L.T.A.
 

But Trump and other GOP are against bringing manufacturing back by repealing the CHIPs Act?

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JerryS
 
Just a couple of many things that don't make sense to me.  Maybe the Trump supporters here can help me understand their view.
 
The main reason given for Trump's win is the economy, primarily inflation.  Three major Trump campaign promises are: Tax cuts, massive tariffs on all imports, and deport 20M undocumented (since the official total estimate is 11M, lets just say "all" undocumented) which include almost 5 percent of the US workforce.  I see all three being inflationary, how am I wrong?
 
Another head scratcher is his campaign promise to eliminate all gov't subsidies for electric vehicles (EVs) including the $7500 tax credit for purchasers.  If true, why is Elon Musk a huge supporter?

 Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
 
Tariffs would most likely be the biggest inflationary threat. Trump repeats that foreign nations pay these tariffs but I haven't found any proof of that. 
The reason that Industry out source is because it's cheaper to produce overseas than the US. When Industry pays more, they charge more. If they could have it made here at the same price, they would, but they can't. Also, the tit for tat tariff war that follows would have an impact on US exports. 
 
Elon Musk gambled $150 million in campaign contributions. No one knows what his strategy is. I'm sure it's going to pay off somehow. 

Correct me if I’m wrong but the president no matter who he/she is can’t just up and deport undocumented immigrants. Maybe the criminals but the others once they are here have rights and have to go through the legal system. I can’t imagine how long that would take so I suppose most of them if they choose to do so will stay here.

dano
 
 
 Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
 

Not just the southwest.  Anywhere I travel, I notice all the hotels use immigrants for the housekeeping staff.  When visiting larger cities I see construction crews staffed primarily with immigrant workers.
 
Studies show undocumented workers pay almost $100B in taxes every year, including Social Security and Medicare even though they are not eligible for these benefits.  They also pay higher income tax rates than US citizens since they are not eligible for most of the tax credits.
 
I admit the southern border has gotten out of control, and needs addressed, but mass deportation of hard working, law abiding undocumented immigrants is counter-productive.  Trump has convinced his followers that the undocumented are the reason for all our society ills, specifically their own lack of success.  

Just because  some people on the lower end of the work scale are dark and speak another language doesnt mean they are here illegally, they came and now work hard and are assimilating just like the ancestors of so many of us.

JerryS

dano
 
 
 Good points, Jerry. If you spend time in the southwest, it seems like every restaurant, grocery store and other service related industries have a high percentage immigrants in their workforce. These immigrants are also consumers so removing them would also remove money flow from the economy. Unless of course you can replace all those immigrants with American workers who would probably require higher wages. So yea, inflationary.
 

Not just the southwest.  Anywhere I travel, I notice all the hotels use immigrants for the housekeeping staff.  When visiting larger cities I see construction crews staffed primarily with immigrant workers.
 
Studies show undocumented workers pay almost $100B in taxes every year, including Social Security and Medicare even though they are not eligible for these benefits.  They also pay higher income tax rates than US citizens since they are not eligible for most of the tax credits.
 
I admit the southern border has gotten out of control, and needs addressed, but mass deportation of hard working, law abiding undocumented immigrants is counter-productive.  Trump has convinced his followers that the undocumented are the reason for all our society ills, specifically their own lack of success.  

What part of illegal don't you guys understand also there not law abiding folks if they.Correct me if im wrong There here as criminals right lOur crops and hotels and landscapers have been here for years they have green cards and have been doing that work for lazy americans for decades.

Remember -
Ron Reagan was a California Democrat and
Donald Trump was a New York City Democrat.
The parties have both changed.
Heck -and I was a Blue Ct Democrat--but certainly not in the class of the above two - lol

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Remember -
Ron Reagan was a California Democrat and
Donald Trump was a New York City Democrat.
The parties have both changed.
Heck -and I was a Blue Ct Democrat--but certainly not in the class of the above two - lol

Reagan gave 3 million illegal immigrants legal status for $185.  Trump wants them all thrown out of the country.  

The way Trump talks in is general terms, with talking heads interpreting everything after the fact, who knows what much of this will look like in legislation format. From the spin prior to the election, some said deporting any violent criminal, some said all here illegally. Unless they know they are a flight risk to return, I have no issue with the violent criminals being deported. I find it hard to believe this wasn’t happening. If we know it is safer to keep here (knowing that they will likely return), then I’m fine with exceptions to keep them here incarcerated. Yes, paying for them stinks, but the risk of them returning if violent and actively involved in something organized that the chances of returning are high.

Until we see what any of the legislation looks like, it is just speculation. Each side presenting what their media sources are providing.

With things like untaxed overtime and untaxed tips, do companies push more into salary positions if it is beneficial to them? Do salaried employees walk off the jobs to take on hourly positions? What will the definition of tip be? Can an employer “tip” their employee? Will more businesses charge a certain rate and “expect” tips in their contracts? Will salaried employees that work overtime be able to count part of their salary as untaxed overtime?

It will be interesting to see how so many of these vague “policies” are put into legislation. I can be convinced just about all of the policies sound good if turned into legislation in favorable ways…