PGC budget

All year, people question the finances of the PGC,last month's issue of the pa.game news had their budget in it.Yet I have seen no remarks on this site. Hard to believe that there were no questions.  sam

I am indifferent when it comes to the PGC. I barely hunt anymore. Fishing takes up most of my free time.

I agree they are always crying about lack of funds, cutting back on this or that , with all the sportsman groups in the sate , it's an untapped resource , im sure they would get a lot of volunteers to help with projects if they would just get off their high horse and accept the help, but maybe keeping the agency in the red is their idea of a way to get control of license fee increases , but with so much corruption in our state agencies and bad performance, you can't just give a blank check and say do what you think is best, when it shows they cant handle money , like the recent audit that found numerous money accounts they said they where unaware of . Who has money in accounts they don't know about or forgot, especially when it really is not yours. do  they need a raise in license fees, yes  I feel they do , but not a blank check like they want by being able to set increases themselves 

I didn't respond because I thought, I would mind my own business (😏), but since you asked.


Let em eat [crow] cake or as the ole hunter once said.... they made their [crow feather] bed, let em lie in it.

Perhaps Mr. Gary Alt should be consulted..... for a small stipend, of course.

Most insolvent Govt Pensions that I encountered in my political elected days are now overburdensome because the 
govt itself  failed to comply within the guidelines of its own long haul contractual contributions.
One I know of went so far as to take employee contributions for years and incorporate them into the 'general fund' resulting in nice appearing end of year budgets but little to no balances in the 'pension fund"-- those were good fiscal years and they got away with it.
Nowadays those empty funds are an annual drag on contractual Govt  responsibilities, and all too often kinda blamed on the employees rather than the Govt agencies causing the near default in underfunded obligations.
The present elected or appointed managers all too often say 'welll weee didn't do that it was done decades ago'.
Not good enough for ineptitude over decades. 
Also a real big drag on the funds was the Govt itself' borrowing' from the funds thus never allowing for the actuarial predicted  interest to build and make them solvent- All the while with employees having their rightful contributions deducted weekly over their whole careers.
As one whos pension is VERY close to  solvency I must say it was only allowed to happen by virtue of an employee Lawsuit against the Govt agency responsible and clear mismanagement readily proven wherein the Court mandated huge annual contributions by said Agency-
Also blamed each and every year on the employees by most casual observers.
 

But Capt. look at the pretty paper work the PGC got with the hunters money.


FINAL REPORT
2019 Deer Management Program
Mt Lebanon, Pennsylvania
by
White Buffalo, Inc.
27 February 2019
INTRODUCTION
Mt Lebanon contains a matrix of dense suburban and commercial development interspersed with
a spectrum of parks. The absence of any comprehensive deer management allowed the local
deer population to increase to a level incompatible with some land use and human activities prior
to our involvement. Although deer physical condition is not an issue, there is ongoing concern
regarding numerous deer-vehicle collisions and other deer related issues. This is the fourth year
in which White Buffalo, Inc. has implemented deer population management program within the
municipal boundaries. We harvested 115, 55, 57, and 44 deer during the 2016, 2017, 2018, and
2019 programs, respectively.
METHODS
Pre-baiting was conducted from 22 January – 12 February 2019. Sharpshooting efforts were
conducted from 13-25 February 2019. Eleven days of fieldwork were required to achieve the
harvest of 44 deer. We followed the operations protocol outlined in the contract and PGC Permit
#45195. Twelve sites were available throughout the area of operation. Three previous locations
were not utilized during the 2019 program due to lack of activity in 2018. One new private site
was added.
RESULTS
We expended ~134 person-hours to harvest 44 deer (this does not include travel time, site
preparations and set up, or baiting). The entire data set generated from harvested deer is
represented in the spreadsheet entitled "Mt Lebanon, PA- Deer Harvest: 13-25 February 2019”
(Appendix A). The overall harvest demographics are summarized in Table 1. Harvest by day is
summarized in Table 2. Harvest results from specific sites ranged from a high of 7 deer to a low of 1 for sites where effort was allocated. Twenty-eight deer (64%) were harvested from private
properties while 16 (36%) were removed from the four public properties available.
Table 1. Sex and age class of deer harvested in Mount Lebanon, PA from 13-25 February 2019.
AGE # MALE (%) # FEMALE (%) # COMBINED
Yearling/Adult 19 (43%) 15 (34%) 34 (77%)
Fawns 4 (9%) 6 (14%) 10 (23%)
Total 23 (52%) 21 (48%) 44 (100%)
Table 2. Number of deer harvested by day during the 11 days of field operations.
DATE
#
Harvested DATE
#
Harvested DATE
#
Harvested DATE
#
Harvested
2/13/19 5 2/16/19 10 2/19/19 6 2/23/19 3
2/14/19 3 2/17/19 1 2/21/19 6 2/25/19 0
2/15/19 4 2/18/19 4 2/22/18 2
Harvest by Deer Management Zone
To allow for a more comprehensive population management program, we summarized all the
harvest data by management zone. Zone 1 was delineated as all land west of Cedar and Cochran
to the municipal boundary. Zone 2 was composed of all land east of Cedar and Cochran, west of
Scott Road, and north of Beadling Road and Mt Lebanon Boulevard to the northern municipal
boundary. Zone 3 was south of Beadling Road and Mt Lebanon Boulevard, west of Castle
Shannon Boulevard, to the southern municipal boundary. Zone 4 covered land east of Scott
Road/Castle Shannon Boulevard to the municipal boundary. Harvest breakdown based on zone
for the sharpshooting effort is summarized in Table 3.
Table 3. Deer harvest by Zone Mount Lebanon, PA 13-25 February 2019.


🙄 There's four more pages if anyone is interested 😒

☝ BTW I have this report too..... all 92 pages. Happy to PM to anyone interested. Fees may apply😁


The Pennsylvania Game Commission’s Collapse of the Deer Herd,
Mismanagement of Habitat and Wildlife Resources,
Resulting Impacts to Rural Communities and the Commonwealth, and
Violations of Title 34 State Law and The Pennsylvania Constitution
An Investigation in Fulfillment of Requests by Former and Current State Officials:
• Office of the Governor •
• House Game and Fisheries Committee •
• Members of the Senate and House of Representatives •
• Board of Game Commissioners •
By
John Eveland
Forester, Wildlife Biologist, and Ecologist
April 17, 2018
Prepared for
• The Office of the Governor •
Governor Tom Wolf
• Pennsylvania House of Represent

Capt. I have no idea the cost but, if ya have nothing to do on a rainy day or be needing some reading material while, seated upon the great porcelain throne or just sitting on a stump, waiting for a shot at an "Alt Hatrack" (should one walk from behind a tree)...... perhaps ya might find this info of some interest.

It certainly brought back memories of sitting in the Rocky Grove VFD and listening to Gary Alt (a legend in his own mind).

https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Wi...oryoftheWhitetail.aspx

Appears to me reality matters not, in the decision making.

Unless your real life experience agrees with their scientific data, they could care less about your opinion. They are highly educated scientist while you and me, merely street smart and block wise.

We live it and we see it. They dream about it, then write about it.

While we've seen many changes over the years, the article certainly shows the PGC has not changed their method, of blowing smoke.

With exception of migratory and antlerless, my license cost me nothing. Didn't apply last season and not likely to apply this season. Two years ago I bought a new varmit rifle and have not spent a dime since.

I figure the next scientific move will be selling "bait permits", as is done here in the deep south. Imagine, all those permits at a half C-note or more. 🤑


Anyways Cap. good luck this coming hunting season but in the meantime, good times and tight lines. 🎣

Use to be the federal boys set up the length and limits of duck seasons as I recall but the state gets to figure how best to use them ....most times they vote split seasons ...I believe they get a few extra hunting days doing that. I haven't hunted ducks in years but was very avid back in the day so I stand corrected.
 
Like you say they put limits on us in Pa. but other states have a blast shooting away on flight waterfowl. I remember a time we in Pa. were not allowed to shoot Snow Geese but down in Texas they were allowed 3 or more a day.... same year ! Go figure ?
 
Canada just massacres the ducks up there ....they claim America can get the scraps ....I heard this from Canadians while fishing ...somehow I believe it .
 
 

 

Pics of wild ducks I've taken on Shenango.....yea these mixed ones in the second photo show up almost every year ....I've seen as many as 4-5 pairs over the years ....and they fly and spook very fast ! Got lucky this day and finally got a closer picture after many missed attempts. Have no idea about them just some kind of mix I've never seen anywhere else but the Shenango river . 

Speaking of breeding, ya know why Hybrid fish cannot reproduce?

Because Mother Nature saw wildlife biologist in the making.

sssst... btdt original🙉