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(Taken from the fishing report page)----"Fished lower walnut and sections of elk. Hooked a couple on single eggs and landed one. Ran into these five guys on walnut and poor Richards. They said they had over 100 hookups a day. I didn't believe them but their coolers were full. Anyone have similar luck or are these guys full of it?"
Yeah--It's called Lifting
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2016/11/21 14:42:08
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did the fish in the coolers have gashes on them? did any of the men have eastern european or chinese accents? ....lol...... other wise they probably lied....
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2016/11/21 15:28:02
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5guys * 20 hook ups each = 100
sounds fairly easy to me
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2016/11/21 15:41:30
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5guys * 20 hook ups each = 100
sounds fairly easy to me
*sounds*
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2016/11/21 18:10:17
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10-15 years ago-- absolutely I would believe it. Right now, and especially last week given the conditions, no way. I can more than hold my own on the streams, and back in the day I would catch 75-100 a day, all legal. The last three years, I've been lucky to have 10 legal hookups. It's possible, yes, but from what I hear and have observed, it's highly unlikely to hook that many legally given the crappy conditions.
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2016/11/22 09:44:17
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6-10 years ago-- absolutely I would believe it. Right now, and especially last week given the conditions, no way. I can more than hold my own on the streams, and back in the day I would catch 75-100 a day, all legal. The last three years, I've been lucky to have 10 legal hookups. It's possible, yes, but from what I hear and have observed, it's highly unlikely to hook that many legally given the crappy conditions.
 i am going to assume you meant 100 hook ups, not catches. there is currently 9.5 hours from sunrise to sunset. that would be hooking a fish every 5.7 minutes for 9.5 hours straight. even if we used 75 a day that would be one every 7.6 minutes. 
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2016/11/22 11:36:06
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15 years ago with the right conditions, yes it was possible. I travel a good distance and had a good friend that guided up there and would tell me when to "be sick" from work. I don't catch a whole lot anymore... just saying things have changed a ton in the last few years
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2016/11/22 15:43:40
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I was in South Carolina for 11 years. Last year was my first back. I went to upper elk and thought it was nowhere near as good but not bad. Found holes with 30-50 fish that were open. I just got back from a trip to Elk and Chatauqua and I can't believe how much the numbers have declined. Me and one buddy fished Elk the last 3 hours of the day on Thursday and he caught one and I never had a hook up. Holes that had 70-100 fish back in early 2000 were only holding 6-8 fish.
We met 3 more friend for the weekend at Chatauqua and the fishing was terrible. Friday 5 of us covered 3 miles of creek and I was the only one to catch fish. I caught a brown and a steelhead. We covered the entire length of the creek below the dam and there were only 2 holes that held more than 1-3 fish. One had about 20 and the other probably 30. I don't even have the desire to go back. I'd rather just go fish the Ohio River and hope for a wiper for a good fight.
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2016/11/22 17:00:55
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Crawlerman2,,Yea, the numbers aren't what they used to be but I don't mind one bit.
Ran into one other fisherman today in a 1 mile stretch. Didn't touch a fish until the water temp went up to 35 from 34 degrees. Then swung up 3 biguns in the next two hours.
I enjoyed that as much as crushing fish cast after cast back in the hedeys.
Just enjoy what you got.
BTW. I've never landed 100 fish in a day. Back then, I usually quit after 30-35 fish. Seriously, after that, what's the point.
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2016/11/22 18:19:47
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that would be one every 7.6 minutes.
I've had days where it was a fish on nearly every cast I've never landed anywhere near 100..or even 75...truth is, I get bored and quit well before that number . Matter of fact, after a few fish in the first hour, I didn't even care about landing them and would purposely try and shake 'em off or put heavy pressure hoping the light wire #16 barbless hooks I used most would pull out I think my personal best was 23 landed BEFORE NOON ..all in one spot on mid Elk..all alone!!! (the earlier years of the "glory days") never moved more than 20-30 feet and had 50+ on in a few short hours ..and I suck ..FACT Now, 'fore some Jabroni chirps foul.... It's not hard to tell a fair from foul hooked fish ...you feel the head shake as soon as you put pressure on the hook set. ......or you're toopid and ..... 'fore one of you snObz deftly casts a turdfly in.... linin' liftin' force feeding ain't fun to me (too friggin easy) when they're "turned on" to the junk you plunk or the way you plunkit, it can be literally "fish on" every or every other drift. a first timmer can land double digits in a few hours when hot for what you got .................................................................................................................................................................................... as far as the report ...if those duuds fished all day, and know what they're doing.....10 fish per angler ain't all that many. That's a fish an hour ..if I ain't hooking at least a fish an hour, I'm off the water in two hours .L.T.A.
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2016/11/22 18:36:04
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Crawlerman2,,Yea, the numbers aren't what they used to be but I don't mind one bit.Ran into one other fisherman today in a 1 mile stretch. Didn't touch a fish until the water temp went up to 35 from 34 degrees. Then swung up 3 biguns in the next two hours. I enjoyed that as much as crushing fish cast after cast back in the hedeys. Just enjoy what you got. BTW. I've never landed 100 fish in a day. Back then, I usually quit after 30-35 fish. Seriously, after that, what's the point.
Don't think I would be able to move my arms the next day. 25+ fish in a half day was quite normal in prime conditions back in the day.. Usually by 11:00am I was ready to make the 2-1/2 hr trip home..
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2016/11/22 19:06:14
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great post genie and seriousley im having too much fun to count fish after like 6 its just a blur and a good time....... and silver bullet do you carry with you one of those hand clickers lol lol to count all those fish lol lol 
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2016/11/22 20:36:14
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Haha. Unfortunately in my early 20's yes I was that guy. I would come up on a mission. Would fish the mouths for 3 hours until daylight and then switch to the fly rod. Then I would night fish... I was much more motivated back then
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2016/11/22 20:58:04
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Hook ups what a joke ! I only count caught and landed fish, not misses ! I guess if you rake a fish's tail or dorsal fins , with hooks or flies, that's a hook up ! 20 fish a day each ! NO LEGAL WAY..... and I got money to put up on that bet if you want to wager !  1,2,3,4,6,7,9,12,15,16,18,20 fish again today !
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2016/11/22 21:10:24
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The best I've ever seen caught in the "top hay days" of nobody around on upper mid Elk was.............
33 Steelhead landed by my buddy !
My best days were mid twenties landed in 5-6 hours of fishing ! 2003 one of best of the best !
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2016/11/23 08:35:43
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genie i find my self doing the same thing... after so long i tend to just want to "lose" a fish that's hooked up unless its big and "picture worthy"....... but the best i ever had was two or three years ago mid September there was a pile of fish at the elk access.... i landed 20 from about about 11am - about 2pm.... weird thing it was a bright, hot sunny day with ultra clear water.... my buddy only managed to land 3 or 4... idk what his problem was that day.... boy was he mad LOL
another time on the way home from ny i stopped at elk and of course i could only fish for about an hour and a half because i had to make it home in time for the steelers game and different buddy and i had a good time... i landed ten and missed/lost idk how many more and one of them was over 30inches... i posted the pic in a different thread...
i've had some really good days over in Ohio too
but like some of you said if there's fish there and its a "hot" day.... you're going to catch fish...
lets be honest.... if you have a double digit day of landed fish... that's a good day...
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2016/11/23 09:41:12
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CAPTAIN HOOK
Hook ups what a joke ! I only count caught and landed fish, not misses !
I guess if you rake a fish's tail or dorsal fins , with hooks or flies, that's a hook up !
20 fish a day each ! NO LEGAL WAY..... and I got money to put up on that bet if you want to wager !
1,2,3,4,6,7,9,12,15,16,18,20 fish again today !
Years ago I would have taken that bet Captain. Today's landscape no way. 20 years experience as a local I could honestly say i've had my share of days I stopped counting fish landed after 30 and rarely fish past 6-8 hours. After that I went for quality over quantity. Seems every so often you get these reports of 100+ hookups for the day or weekend. Do I buy it. Partially, that being said, In stained water and fish stacked up could you have 100 hookups yes... can you prove they were all legal leaning towards no. Hookup to me is roll the fish head up or see the fish headshaking, not just a tug on the other end. To see 100 fish in a stretch and have free reign to that said entire stretch now a days is exactly that a stretch. To have over 100+ hookups you would at very least need to locate 150+ fish because you aren't hooking every single fish in that area and rarely does the same fish hit 2x. As fisherman yes we all exaggerate but that's really pushing it with everything we all see and know today.
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2016/11/23 15:48:49
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CAPTAIN HOOK
Hook ups what a joke ! I only count caught and landed fish, not misses !
I guess if you rake a fish's tail or dorsal fins , with hooks or flies, that's a hook up !
20 fish a day each ! NO LEGAL WAY..... and I got money to put up on that bet if you want to wager !
1,2,3,4,6,7,9,12,15,16,18,20 fish again today !
Years ago I would have taken that bet Captain. Today's landscape no way. 20 years experience as a local I could honestly say i've had my share of days I stopped counting fish landed after 30 and rarely fish past 6-8 hours. After that I went for quality over quantity.
Seems every so often you get these reports of 100+ hookups for the day or weekend. Do I buy it. Partially, that being said,
In stained water and fish stacked up could you have 100 hookups yes... can you prove they were all legal leaning towards no. Hookup to me is roll the fish head up or see the fish headshaking, not just a tug on the other end. To see 100 fish in a stretch and have free reign to that said entire stretch now a days is exactly that a stretch. To have over 100+ hookups you would at very least need to locate 150+ fish because you aren't hooking every single fish in that area and rarely does the same fish hit 2x. As fisherman yes we all exaggerate but that's really pushing it with everything we all see and know today.
a few years ago i landed a fish that was on a leash. 2 others in the group hooked and fought it before i managed to get it in.
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2016/11/23 17:36:48
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CAPTAIN HOOKHook ups what a joke ! I only count caught and landed fish, not misses ! I guess if you rake a fish's tail or dorsal fins , with hooks or flies, that's a hook up ! 20 fish a day each ! NO LEGAL WAY..... and I got money to put up on that bet if you want to wager !1,2,3,4,6,7,9,12,15,16,18,20 fish again today !
Years ago I would have taken that bet Captain. Today's landscape no way. 20 years experience as a local I could honestly say i've had my share of days I stopped counting fish landed after 30 and rarely fish past 6-8 hours. After that I went for quality over quantity. Seems every so often you get these reports of 100+ hookups for the day or weekend. Do I buy it. Partially, that being said,In stained water and fish stacked up could you have 100 hookups yes... can you prove they were all legal leaning towards no. Hookup to me is roll the fish head up or see the fish headshaking, not just a tug on the other end. To see 100 fish in a stretch and have free reign to that said entire stretch now a days is exactly that a stretch. To have over 100+ hookups you would at very least need to locate 150+ fish because you aren't hooking every single fish in that area and rarely does the same fish hit 2x. As fisherman yes we all exaggerate but that's really pushing it with everything we all see and know today.
In the late 90's thru 2000's I would have bet any amount of money on 20+ fish landed..
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2016/11/23 17:38:12
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During a practice day before a One Fly, my fishing partner, The Drake landed 40. Many of the commenters on this thread witnessed some of them.
The poster formally known as Duncsdad Everything I say can be fully substantiated by my own opinion.
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2016/11/23 21:27:50
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indiana bob ur rite..... late 90s thru 2000s hell yeah your rite  lived that
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2016/11/23 21:59:27
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I had a rare 20+ fish day (to the net) last year Before noon. Just one of them days where everything went right and noone else on the crick. Twas Christmas. Fish were stacked n fresh. Crick was runnin on a drop a couple days after a blow out. Dead driftin zonkers. Everything was the perfect scenario. Don't see a repeat happening this year, as i think there are a total of 50 fish in the whole erie trib system (give or take 1 or 2) lol.
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2016/11/23 21:59:46
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There were times years ago on upper Elk holes I've had probably 75 fish or more in front of me several times. Did I crush them one after another ? No......... Simply because once you would hook a fish they would run crazy and spook the whole pack. After about 15-20 minutes you would hook another and replay the same scenario till later they just quit feeding altogether. I'm talking gin clear water too. Many times it seems like the pack would go into that zombie stage as the sun would rise brighter too. I agree after about 12-15 landed fish in 3-4 hours it's been a good day..... that's enough. I never considered numbers as "my best days" all the time anyway! I had a day in mid cold December I landed 7 Steelhead with 5 of them probably 10 lbs. plus and one was 13 lbs. my biggest. Fished New Years Eve evening at the Elk Access and nailed 6 beautiful size Steelies in high green water. Hardly anybody around. ( hint ) Count em...............the good old days ! lol 
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2016/11/24 05:54:56
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plus the fact when up around mckean area when we had lots of fish in front of you alot of those fish were already hooked or released no so long ago adding to the spook factor
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2016/11/24 09:10:25
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I took that photo in the early 2000's in one area I fished open to the public. Probably over 75 fish just there. I caught about 10 that day there and I did the best of three guys. How many times did the Legion Holes have as many....lots of times ! The Tubes were black with fish when they held water.
I-90 hole held an awesome amount steady. I landed a ton of Steelhead behind Follies in that single hole. ( if it's still there )
Don't get me wrong 20 plus days were possible in the 90's and early 2000's....now ?
I've seen days where there were tons of fish stacked in holes and barely any caught all day !
It wasn't a guaranteed deal just because the holes were full of fish.
I seen lots of good fishermen humbled some days that looked like it would be easy pickings !
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2016/11/24 10:12:35
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genie i find my self doing the same thing... after so long i tend to just want to "lose" a fish that's hooked up unless its big and "picture worthy
it's always been "the take" that was the best part of fishing to me . In my early days it seemed important to bring every hookup to hand ....for bragging rights mostly if I'm honest about it after a few years and hundreds of landed fish under my belt, if they were still on after their minute or two of initial run and/or aerobatics, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion I'd be able to land it if I wanted to....even if I had to baby them to exhaustion (which isn't fun to me) pretty much a sure thing if I wanted to land it though , I could But I get bored quick with playing them and wanted to get on to hooking the next one. Which again, is really the "fun" part to me ... getting a fish to bite . after they're played for a couple minutes, I go into what I call my "no touch release" mode ..Horse 'em in, or better yet, spit the hook and/or pull out the small light wire clipped barb hooks I generally use makes it relatively easy to do that ..L.T.A.
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2016/11/24 10:23:43
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☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2016/12/05 04:26:21
Several years ago,I lost track of when,a friend and I were on Elk at rt 20 and the water was alive with fish.There was 7 anglers including us there that day and we were hooking and landing fish on every drift .Long story short,I was not counting but one of the others was and he said he landed 42 at 2 PM.We were all catching and landing at the same rate and my friend and I fished till dark and we got there at dawn.I think we each caught 60-70 fish that day,By the way four of those other guys were from Switzerland,they came to Steelhead Alley every year,I wonder if they still make that trip considering the way it has gone downhill.
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2016/11/24 10:46:53
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I seen lots of good fishermen humbled some days that looked like it would be easy pickings !
speaking of when it "should be easy pickings" I'm a pretty decent lg mth Bass angler (fished daily for years when I quit drinking in '92 ) I'm Just as "OK" steelheader though ...but I never found any definite patterns to steelie bite behavior like I found with bass . With bass, I knew/know when the best times/conditions for the Hogs to get dumb, knew when to expect a good/average day and know when to expect a tough bite day. But I just found any real pattern w/steel I've slayed 'em in gin clear low/no flow days Slayed 'em in brutal winds with sleet/snow pounding me in the face and I've had slow days in what would seem prime conditions as far as catching 20 today? I've fished with some pros a few times . I mentioned before Jiggy "Stillhead" Jim and "Shurriff Arnhead" Ken. I'd put my money on both those guys having 20 fish days in what's in the creeks currently No doubt there are plenty others like them....so I'm not quick to call BS on all reports ..L.T.A.
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2016/11/24 12:01:41
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Its still very possible to hook up 20 times in a day... Just not necessarily in the criks.
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