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Ridiculous trout rules !
Tons of dead trout being killed daily, these no " kill lakes till the opener" got to stop. It's ridiculous killing these fish before the season starts. I talked to 7 guys using power bait,they said they caught approximately 350 that day. I personally saw several that where bleeding or gut hooked that where going to die. The only winner was the eagles that where gorging themselves. I'm not a trouter,but I feel sorry for the father taking his children out on the first day looking for some action. Any opinions?
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/21 19:35:46
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If you use power bait and aren't keeping fish, you're most likely just killing them for no reason. Agreed. They aren't that hard to catch. Use something else till you can rope them. I like that they keep the lakes open. Some people are just idiots. It would be a good opportunity for the pfbc to make a few bucks in fines for killing fish out of season.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/21 19:56:22
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Any type of bait should be illegal. Artificial only till opening day.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/21 20:56:00
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I understand the whole trout thing, especially for kids but, I wish there was more focus on native warm water fisheries and stockings. I'm particular to walleye but, a good panfish lake provides more year round, quality fishing than a few weeks of stocked trout. Keep the trout stockings to the streams where they will at least last a little longer....and be less prone to this sort of thing. Just to add another thought, if guys want to fish these lakes and use bait(preseason), they should have to use circle hooks and circles hooks only. You are still going to get some mortality but it should be greatly reduced.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/21 21:15:13
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I encourage everyone to email the SW Regional Office, I just did. I emailed and called last year as well. The more emails the better.
Its a shame in about two weeks dead trout will be floating everywhere from the powerbait. Artificial only or shut the season down.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/21 23:59:20
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its crazy that the pfbc were smart enough to have delayed harvest areas of the creek. but are not smart enough to have a artificial lures only around are lakes or actually anywhere this time of the year. and as a father of 2 boys who look forward to going out fishing first day. because i know and see how these fish are getting destroyed by people before the first day. I have been thinking about where to go where my kids can have fun and catch some fish i never used to have to worry about that.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 06:46:03
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Its Westmoreland county park lakes what you expect? The Chinese keep 10" bass er trout.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 08:38:15
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The real shame of stocking trout, nothing more then a campaign by the PennState Fish and Boat commission to entice the sale of fishing license.
Why stock a fish that does not survive the year in the wild, why a fish that most people find unappetizing, why a fish (if it weren't for law) most people would leave lay rather than take it home and dispose of it in the trash?
My guess, because the trout does not survive and will require re-stocking not just annually but bi-annually, and in some cases, quarterly. That's a lot of money being spent every year just to give somebody the right to say, they fish for trout and therefore, they are!
Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~  Old fisherman never die; we just smell that way. 
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 09:32:00
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Although I agree that too many Trout are being killed by bait fishermen, I also think that people should only use 1 rod while Trout fishing & also that it is ridicules to allow a 50 fish limit for most panfish. Trout fishing at most stocked places is put & take & few people disagree. It is too bad that most fish sink after dying or there may be more outcry. sam
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 09:47:09
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When I get hungry for fresh stocked trout I'm go to the store and buy a box of those Mrs Weaver's fish sticks throw the fish away and eat the BOX!! Even cost less than a trout stamp!!!
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 10:13:23
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Trout tastes pretty bad as it is. I'd rather eat a river catfish!
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 10:21:18
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the PA stocking system is FUBAR'd
the answer is $$$$ you dopes. opening day license sales drive the entire economy of the state fishery. old news
as far as the state stocking warm water species, there's millions of native channel cats stocked a year eyesandgillz #taxcatz not to mention musky and walleye fingerlings. and formerly the paddlefish!
no mention of the amish decimating NWPA lakes?
or go bro kids jacking stockies on spinners and throwing a nice hookshot in for a release?
bait kills but so does atrocious handling of fish.
carry on yinzers.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 10:44:29
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BeenThereDoneThat.
The real shame of stocking trout, nothing more then a campaign by the PennState Fish and Boat commission to entice the sale of fishing license.
Why stock a fish that does not survive the year in the wild, why a fish that most people find unappetizing, why a fish (if it weren't for law) most people would leave lay rather than take it home and dispose of it in the trash?
If I agree with you again, I am going to throw myself off a bridge. Gilligan is right, it is all about that opening day madness. I like tradition, unless a tradition sucks. If I were in charge... yeah right... Less ridiculous Monthly stockings from Jan-April barbless artificial catch and release only until may 1, mortality would go down, not completely, but it would help have one may stocking after that That way the hoards could come out and clean out the creeks and lakes on May first for the opening day of "keeper season" #panfishtastebetter
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 10:57:42
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I saw this yesterday myself. My local lake just got stocked recently so I went to my spot and sure enough there were plenty of guys slaying them, but what were they using? Powerbait under a bobber, of course. One guy caught at least 15 and half were belly up at the surface near shore. I think he almost kept them since I kept hearing "if they're dead anyway". Well, maybe they wouldn't be dead if either you used a lure or a circle hook! I only went three for five, but they were all nice Browns and it was a heck of a lot more fun catching them on big bass Jerkbaits as opposed to still fishing artificial gunk molded on a hook, plus all of the fish were anxious to swim right out of my hands. I may even bring some waders and try some big streamers with my five weight next time I head out.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 11:13:25
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gotta ask, where is the proof that circle hooks are "safer" for stockies? if they swallow a glob of paste and are bill dance hook set, that hook is still gonna F em up right? i know for circle hooks a slow steady hook set is ideal, but if you're letting the bobber get dahn ere, let him take it good, then cracking a hook set, that fish is doomed regardless of hook style, lack of barb, etc. as far as artificial lures, are the spinners with three barbed treble hooks any safer? refer to go bro's video of jacking the hook out of the fish's mouth and tossing it back from shoulder height. that fish surely floated down to the yough to be eaten raw by a kayak hippie. shashimi anyone?
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 11:17:27
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gotta ask, where is the proof that circle hooks are "safer" for stockies? if they swallow a glob of paste and are bill dance hook set, that hook is still gonna F em up right? i know for circle hooks a slow steady hook set is ideal, but if you're letting the bobber get dahn ere, let him take it good, then cracking a hook set, that fish is doomed regardless of hook style, lack of barb, etc. as far as artificial lures, are the spinners with three barbed treble hooks any safer? refer to go bro's video of jacking the hook out of the fish's mouth and tossing it back from shoulder height. that fish surely floated down to the yough to be eaten raw by a kayak hippie. shashimi anyone?
Circle hooks are safer for everything because due to the way their barb is pointed the fish isn't hooked until the hook itself is dragged out of the fish's mouth at which point the slanted barb catches the side of their lip coming out. I've had zero fish caught on circles swallow the hook myself. I also think spinners don't have a large mortality rate because if the constant movement. I can't say I recall ever having a Trout swallow a lure either. The jerkbaits I was using yesterday wouldn't even fit down their throat so that helped keep the hooks on the edge of their lips haha.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 11:26:18
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☄ Helpfulby phishfearme 2016/03/23 14:30:00
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I've had zero fish caught on circles swallow the hook myself.
6/0 for catfish vs #12 or #14 for trout. When they swallow the glob of paste to their butt, the hook will go with it. Do they even make circle hooks that small?
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 11:26:21
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my point being a treble hook forcefully removed from a 8" stockies mouth with daddy's garage pliers is gonna F up that mouth. structurally, socially, spiritually. cant eat when the jaw is jacked. ask kayne.
can u show me any evidence that circle hooks are safer? again, if u use one with bait, and let the fish take the bait for a while and jack a hook set, its sticking in soft throat tissues and not neatly in the corner of the mouth. condoms are safe, but if you wear them on your big toe they're useless.
do any of you really think the state is going to make circle hooks mandatory preseason? those WCO lards aren't going to check licenses and stringers let alone what type of hook you're using. they sit in their trucks sipping coffee and complaining that they're understaffed to make a difference. for sheets sake, power bait worms are considered "artificial". bait hook type will never be regulated.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:09:46
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Gilligan, I've seen warden fine people for the litter where they're fishing and not say a word about the dead trout floating in front of them! They don't care what happens to those fish it's all about money!! If you can't or won't except that you might want to consider hiding on a island.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:11:56
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What,no mention of the Russians raping the Erie Tribs? That is prob. where all the perch problems come from also. As far as taste goes, I believe that a good cook can make anything taste good. Remember the Carp on a plank recipe? I wonder why people in those fancy restaurants pay for Rainbow Trout or Catfish? Ed, I KNOW that you don,t eat those monsters out of the Mon. sam
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:13:04
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I've had zero fish caught on circles swallow the hook myself.
6/0 for catfish vs #12 or #14 for trout. When they swallow the glob of paste to their butt, the hook will go with it. Do they even make circle hooks that small?
I use number 6 circles for local Trout fishing, works great for me, normally the hook sets right in the corner of their mouth.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:19:21
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my point being a treble hook forcefully removed from a 8" stockies mouth with daddy's garage pliers is gonna F up that mouth. structurally, socially, spiritually. cant eat when the jaw is jacked. ask kayne. can u show me any evidence that circle hooks are safer? again, if u use one with bait, and let the fish take the bait for a while and jack a hook set, its sticking in soft throat tissues and not neatly in the corner of the mouth. condoms are safe, but if you wear them on your big toe they're useless. do any of you really think the state is going to make circle hooks mandatory preseason? those WCO lards aren't going to check licenses and stringers let alone what type of hook you're using. they sit in their trucks sipping coffee and complaining that they're understaffed to make a difference. for sheets sake, power bait worms are considered "artificial". bait hook type will never be regulated.
Honestly I think any hook in any part of a fish is going to affect it somehow. Of course, barbless size 16 J hooks will do very little to harm a little native compared to a number 2 treble tearing through a walleye's mouth. All I can say is that statistically I've gut-hooked no fish of any species from Trout to Suckers on circle hooks and using regular J hooks or trebles, species like Bullheads and Trout in particular have a high tendency to swallow the hook. Maybe others have had many fish swallow circles but I'm simply saying I've never had it happen to me in the three years I've known about them.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:47:45
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my point being a treble hook forcefully removed from a 8" stockies mouth with daddy's garage pliers is gonna F up that mouth. structurally, socially, spiritually. cant eat when the jaw is jacked. ask kayne.
can u show me any evidence that circle hooks are safer? again, if u use one with bait, and let the fish take the bait for a while and jack a hook set, its sticking in soft throat tissues and not neatly in the corner of the mouth. condoms are safe, but if you wear them on your big toe they're useless.
do any of you really think the state is going to make circle hooks mandatory preseason? those WCO lards aren't going to check licenses and stringers let alone what type of hook you're using. they sit in their trucks sipping coffee and complaining that they're understaffed to make a difference. for sheets sake, power bait worms are considered "artificial". bait hook type will never be regulated.
I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't fish for the little pelletheads and never got my kids into fishing for them. I could care less one way or the other. Regarding circle hooks, the majority of the time, if you do the ol' rip set, you are going to pull the circle hook right out of the fishes mouth and miss the fish (if you are using a non-offset circle). Since you asked: http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Claw-Lazer-Circle-Non-Offset/dp/B00G4ZVUZ4 Looks like Eagle Claw has them down to #18 and I know Owner, Gama.. and a few others have #10's....possibly smaller ones. Do I think the state would do it, no, but, it is possible. The entire gulf of mexico, in federal waters, require circle hooks to be used with live bait when fishing for reef fish. A de-hooking device is required to be onboard, as well. A lot more difficult to police that than it would be circle hooks fishing a "pond" in PA during pre-season trout. Getting PFBC to police it is another matter. Just an idea...nothing more. I know PA stocks warm water fishies too but my own selfish desires wish they would reduce trout stockings, particularly in lakes and use those monies for more warm water fishies.....especially more "gamefish" with teeth!
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:50:21
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Gilligan, I've seen warden fine people for the litter where they're fishing and not say a word about the dead trout floating in front of them! They don't care what happens to those fish it's all about money!! If you can't or won't except that you might want to consider hiding on a island.
must be tough not knowing how to read. i mentioned that the WCOs are pathetic, so did you. we agreed. then you still said I should go to an island? c'mon man. use the easy button
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:51:45
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I've had zero fish caught on circles swallow the hook myself.
6/0 for catfish vs #12 or #14 for trout. When they swallow the glob of paste to their butt, the hook will go with it. Do they even make circle hooks that small?
I use number 6 circles for local Trout fishing, works great for me, normally the hook sets right in the corner of their mouth.
is there a difference between 6/0 and 6? or nahh?
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 12:54:38
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my point being a treble hook forcefully removed from a 8" stockies mouth with daddy's garage pliers is gonna F up that mouth. structurally, socially, spiritually. cant eat when the jaw is jacked. ask kayne.
can u show me any evidence that circle hooks are safer? again, if u use one with bait, and let the fish take the bait for a while and jack a hook set, its sticking in soft throat tissues and not neatly in the corner of the mouth. condoms are safe, but if you wear them on your big toe they're useless.
do any of you really think the state is going to make circle hooks mandatory preseason? those WCO lards aren't going to check licenses and stringers let alone what type of hook you're using. they sit in their trucks sipping coffee and complaining that they're understaffed to make a difference. for sheets sake, power bait worms are considered "artificial". bait hook type will never be regulated.
I know PA stocks warm water fishies too but my own selfish desires wish they would reduce trout stockings, particularly in lakes and use those monies for more warm water fishies.....especially more "gamefish" with teeth!
are you serious? have you never been to the state page where they list how many walleyes and muskies are stocked, where and how many? even in your back yard... how many more walleye fingerlings do you want?
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 13:05:40
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.Just cut the line as close to tongue, they be fine. As a child caught many doin' just fine with 1 & 2 snell leaders down their throat.
happy crappy
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 13:08:05
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tippecanoe
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I've had zero fish caught on circles swallow the hook myself.
6/0 for catfish vs #12 or #14 for trout. When they swallow the glob of paste to their butt, the hook will go with it. Do they even make circle hooks that small?
I use number 6 circles for local Trout fishing, works great for me, normally the hook sets right in the corner of their mouth.
is there a difference between 6/0 and 6? or nahh?
Yes, 6 is mid-sized and 6/0 is huge.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 13:28:35
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oh, so when tippiecanoe wrote 6/0 and you wrote 6, you weren't comparing.
man, if someone could only link me to how to order those hooks.
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Re: Ridiculous trout rules !
2016/03/22 14:01:07
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just do like they do for other things they want people to stop.Raise Power bait to 50 bucks a jar,worms to 75 bucks a dozen, and lower the prices for rooster tails, kastmasters ect!!!!!It kninda works for smokers and target shooters raise everything like smokes and ammo!!! Better yet have a Bait Stamp now that will work 75 bucks for a yearly stamp that will pay for all those dead trout.
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