ummm....yeahhhhh.....alrighty there Dardys.  Don't let the news get you down, there....sunshine.

eyesandgillz
ummm....yeahhhhh.....alrighty there Dardys.  Don't let the news get you down, there....sunshine.

And just what is that supposed to mean?

This has zero effect on me, just letting folks know what is going on from credible sources.

What parts do you have issues with?

The PGC deciding to do whatever they want?

That land owners who own thousands of acres and have managed them for decades for deer aren't going to stand idle while the PGC tries to do whatever they want?

That one of the families business has revenues of $6 billion annually (I bet half the readers on this forum have made a contribution to that revenue this week. )

That Purdue research on CWD is incorrect?

That PSU deer research is incorrect?

That people that wealthy don't have great lawyers on retainer?

That people that wealthy don't have political connections that may end careers?

Or something else?

And please don't call me sunshine.

Congrats Essox!
 
Hunted 2D this evening, right in the heart of what traditionally has been a very popular area in Butler County.  Hundreds of acres timber broken by only a rural roads and houses along them.  Did not see another vehicle parked in a 2-3 mile stretch where 10 years ago there would have been several on an evening like this when bucks and does are in.  
 
We heard a whopping 4 shots and didn't see anything.  Deer are there for sure on the small slice of property we hunted.  Just not moving much during hunting hours.  

Dardy's don't be getting yourself in a tizzy over childish comments, just consider the source.
 
 
Cancelled fishing at Pymatuning today so, I could hunt with a long time friend and neighbor.   Explored some new area that turned out to be really productive.   Over 9 shots in less than an hour, not from me or, my neighbor but, from the people we pushed deer to while we were stumbling around in the woods.
 
This new area showed some real pluses regarding deer hunting so, I am positive we will see more deer relatively soon after, deer hunting is closed.
 
All kidding aside we did jump a few deer today but, neither I or my buddy got a shot off.  Still exciting to be able to see and hear, especially at my age, deer bounding through the woods.  The big plus, we can clear trails, shooting lanes and, use ATVs during our hunting.  The ATV part is a big deal for me because now, somebody can drive in and haul my tired dead butt back out of the woods at days end. Now that there is a relief, I don't care who ya are.
 
Hoping to get back out tomorrow but, after fishing one day and hunting the next, I may have take a day off and relax.
 
Still time, good luck to those still seeking, I need a vacation. 

Esox congratulations and great story.
 
 
Eyesandgillz, you seem offended, and really defensive, by Dardy's comment regarding CWD; are you afraid that the CWD info provided by the PGC, may be proven to be based on bogus info?  

If in fact the CWD info provided by the PGC were found to be "hype" to benefit their deer reduction plan why; I would imagine that would be devastating, to the "kill for thrill boyz"?
 
Can you, prove the information provided by the PGC is not just an attempt to "paint a grim picture" to coincide with the deer eradication program.  After all, many acres of land have been posted in the south central part of PA. thereby, preventing access to the deer.  
 
You wouldn't suppose the "sudden outbreak" of CWD in that area would be just cause to have a Judge rule "No posting against deer hunting"?  Or, maybe the PGC wants to stop PA. hunters from going out of state to hunt,  maybe it's just those deer infected with CWD.
 
Yeah I know, my comments are ridiculous but, they are based on reports and studies issued by the PGC which are, even more ridiculous.
 
Last but not least, my original observation is based on facts that say, persons using condescending remarks are generally associated with low self esteem.
 
Sorry, I don't have a link.
 
Have a nice day.

 
 
HEY watch who ur callin a gentleman, I represent that remark!
 
 
 
 
Thanks Mike, for the well wishes and, he started it!

Not offended and not defensive in the least bit.  Just stirring the pot as usual.  I think you know a thing or two about that.  Gets boring around here....
 
When these farcical claims are made by a "deer processor" with no factual information (links to studies) to back them up, yeah, I'm going to call him out on it.  If he would have provided links, especially to the studies about the "three subspecies of deer and only one being susceptible to CWD," then I may have been a little more politically correct in my reply. 
 
Still trying to figure out how two families can control "most" of the land and deer in an entire township. 
 
Dardy's and I agree on most things politically but he should approach his arguments here in the hunting forums like he did in the Off Topic forum.  With some facts/links/studies and not just hearsay.....just sayin'.
 
Do you know there are studies now showing that the prions that cause CWD can be taken up by plants and then spread to animals?  http://www.foodsafetynews...-disease/#.VmcoF7_prBo
 
http://www.wisconsinacade...magazine/prions-plants
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24509640  (study that only tested wheat and showed that prions went to the roots but not the stems and leaves [good] but very limited study).  What about sugar beets or other crops, especially ones that the deer eat the "roots"? 
 
http://www.outdoornews.co...an-take-up-CWD-prions/
This is just one of the many vectors for the disease.
 
What if links are found that plants can take up prions into their stems, leaves and other parts consumed by humans and then infect humans with CJD?  If that happens, then I think you will see the wholesale slaughter of deer populations in CWD infected areas.  That is scary.
 
Scares me the most what researchers DON'T know about CWD and possible human infection (CJD) from ingesting a tainted animanl.
 
As far as "killing off the deer," no, I don't agree with it.  Wisconsin's experience with this approach has shown it won't do any good.  CWD is here and will spread and there is nothing that will stop it.  Current measures will only slow it down some.
 
My only fear is if/when they say CWD can leap from deer to people and cause CJD through consumption of the meat.  That, IMO will be the death nail for recreational hunting.
 
Carry on....

 
 
 
Stirring the pot.........; MOI?    WHY, I neverrrrrrrrrrr, welllllllll maybe once.
 
 
I don't read links, studies, reports or any other information regarding most of the jargon issued by the PGC as to why they desire to annihilate the elusive PA. White-Tailed Deer.  I don't, won't and, haven't wasted my time reading  related to the personnel agenda of a few select PGC officials or, self anointed outdoor writers.
 
I only have time; the time I have lived, worked, hunted and, fished in my little area of Penn's Woods.  
 
That being the time before CWD, forest destruction, devastating deer/vehicle accidents, massive antlers and, what ever the hell else the select few of the PGC tries to blow up our donkeys.
 
Sorry, CWD didn't just begin, always have and always will be car/deer related accidents (bet there's more alcohol/drug related accidents) and one only need see pictures of PA. during the age of iron furnaces to understand how a forest can regenerate.  I am eager to see the results of the AR, even though, been 9 years since I've seen a legal buck that I can shoot during season but, ya just never know. Time might tell!
 
As for disease and the spread there of, I have to guess the () influenza has been killing people since the beginning of time.
 
 
Don't forget your flu vaccination.  
Umm, which "pandemic" is slated for this year, anyone know? 
 
Take care 
 
 
 
 
 
Oops.... most forgot,  three crop farmers, while not continuous, own/lease thousands of acres of land in my township and that is not uncommon in adjoining townships. To own/lease is to control and the farmers know; together they stand............
 
 
 
 

Guess my eyes are better than yours tuna. Hey, I even got them on film....just sayin'. But, that is the advantage of living near and hunting in a sra county. 28 deer out in a field on my way home from work today, private, posted ground in westmoreland county. Not a buck to be seen though. There were over 50 deer between this field and the adjacent one last night...think there may have been a few 1.5 yr old bucks in the mix. WAY too many deer in this particular area but it is posted up tight.

So you are saying the deer I killed this year wasn't a 3.5 yr old? So what is your issue Tuna? No hugs lately?

Even the PGC admits you can't determine a deer's age beyond 30 months without  examining a cross section of it's tooth under a  microscope.

Congrats ESOX!  Never stalked one myself, but sounds like a lot of fun.

S-10, agreed, to a point.  Some deer are obviously older than 2.5 though....
Not many can get a certain amount of mass on them in only 2.5 yrs.  Just not going to happen.  Down here lack of food and harsh winters have minimal impact on the deer health so I think you can more accurately judge a deer's age by antlers but, you are not always going to be right.  So, I will state that I try to shoot deer that appear to be 3.5 yrs old or older to me. 
 
Tuna, I do have super duper deer vision, and these things called brakes, you know, you apply them to the vehicle, slow down and then stop on the side of the road and observe the deer.  Much to my amazement, there are roads that you can do this on....Even have these new-fangled things called binoculars that you can see the deer better with (although in these particular fields the deer can be only 5 yards to up 200 yards off the road edge, binocs not needed for simply counting). 
 
 

Thanks fellas!  I'm really looking forward to sleeping in later than 4 am on a Saturday for the first time in close to 2 months.  
 
Good luck to everyone this weekend.  Just remember that it only takes a minute to change your season.  

 I want a deer.................. 
 
 
 
WAAAAAY to go Mopars!!
 
Congratulations buddy!

Thanks.........  I'll be happy just to find my azz, I left it dragging wayyyyyy behind today.  
 
I'd take a buck like your's any day but, it ain't legal here.
 
Now get that boat outta storage and go get some walleye!