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2015/10/25 00:12:25 (permalink)

The PowerBait Game

I went to Twin Lakes the other day for the first time (I live on the West side of town and don't like driving out that way although I did it many times when I was younger to play golf - Indiana, Chestnut Ridge [nice to see it again], Manitou and Murrysville.) I got there slightly after seven but never saw anything till the fog lifted around 10:00. The post - "Twin Lakes Insult" (fishing for crappie and perch) got me going so I decided to go and sate my curiosity about the place. I went to the lower lake first and started throwing my crappie jig. I asked three fishermen about where to fish for crappie and nobody could tell me. Working my way around the dam I caught two beautiful trout on my crappie jig under a float. No crappie or perch. Then made my way to the upper lake. After strolling along the shoreline (no crappie or perch) I noticed that about 90% of the fishermen were using Powerbait on the bottom. I saw three dead trout in the water no doubt gut hooked on Powerbait and "released". How many more in the water that I couldn't see? 
My point is get off your arses and spin - crimp your barbs, or put a jig under a float and jig for trout. It's so much more fun catching a trout this way. You cover more water, you're moving and the trout never swallow a jig or spinner - release is much easier and it's not so boring. Have some fun!
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/10/25 09:36:59 (permalink)
From above post
(My point is get off your arses and spin - crimp your barbs, or put a jig under a float and jig for trout. It's so much more fun.catching a trout this way. You cover more water, you're moving and the trout never swallow a jig or spinner - release is much easier and it's not so boring. Have some fun)
 
 
I agree. You can see the same thing at North Park Lake. It is great to have year round fishing, but it seems like a waste to catch and kill fish which are not being utilized. I'm not an expert on bait fishing; but if there are more fish friendly ways to catch and release fish while fishing with bait I think we should make the effort to use them.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/10/25 09:36:59 (permalink)
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(My point is get off your arses and spin - crimp your barbs, or put a jig under a float and jig for trout. It's so much more fun.catching a trout this way. You cover more water, you're moving and the trout never swallow a jig or spinner - release is much easier and it's not so boring. Have some fun)
 
 
I agree. You can see the same thing at North Park Lake. It is great to have year round fishing, but it seems like a waste to catch and kill fish which are not being utilized. I'm not an expert on bait fishing; but if there are more fish friendly ways to catch and release fish while fishing with bait I think we should make the effort to use them.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/10/25 10:07:54 (permalink)
With the tagged fish, Twin is nothing but an outdoor Bingo hall. I've seen more than 20 floaters at one time on the upper lake at the corner of the dam opposite the outflow.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/10/25 10:33:33 (permalink)
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With the tagged fish, Twin is nothing but an outdoor Bingo hall. I've seen more than 20 floaters at one time on the upper lake at the corner of the dam opposite the outflow.
you make a good point. Watching all the guys sitting there silent, motionless, waiting for a hit is pretty reminiscent of the feeling I get seeing hundreds of people staring blankly at slot machines.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/10/31 16:40:16 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Sujie 2015/11/01 05:15:10
Just saw this now. I'd have to agree. I've been guilty of gut hooking a few, and I set the hook within two seconds of the first bounce on the rod.
It's not worth it to fish this way.

How far of a distance between bobber and the jig? And do you let it sit or twitch it a lot? I always wondered if the bobber would spook the fish because it caused too much commotion.

"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/10/31 19:17:46 (permalink)
fisherofmen,Although I seldom use bait such as power bait I would think that by using circle hooks guys would eliminate most gut hooking. As far as jig depth, in lakes I keep changing depths from 12" -5' I use a small bobber & don't feel that it spooks Trout or panfish at all,I think that they come to investigate the splash,possibly thinking it is another fish rising. I normally use a 1/64th oz.jig. Sometimes I use those Crappie bobbers that have bbs in them to attract fish.   sam
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/11/01 05:30:23 (permalink)
Fisherofmen376 the best bobber for jigging are the ones that you put your line through and secure it with a lead pin. (But any small weighted bobber will work.) Rocket bobbers are great for windy conditions. Two and a half to three feet is a good depth to start with. Usually trout aren't very deep. Trout and crappie magnet jigheads are just about all I use. The plastics that come with the trout magnet is good. Panfish assassins in grey colors work well, and just about anything green. Even pieces of green trout worms work great. 
As far as presentation, you can try to let it set for a few seconds then jig it a few times and repeat endlessly. You won't be disappointed. And you'll be surprised at the variety of fish you'll catch.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/11/01 08:32:11 (permalink)
Thanks, I'll give this a try.

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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/11/01 13:27:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wetfoot 2016/01/24 08:06:58
I see this a lot, where people feel that they way THEY fish is somehow more enjoyable for everyone, if only they'd just try it.  From experience, I can tell you that you are very wrong.  That throwing a jig **** gets real old for me real fast.  I prefer to toss out a bobber with a minnow or worm and feel that excitement when the bobber goes under.  Also love to hear the baitrunner screaming when something grabs cut bait off the bottom.  
 
That doesn't mean my way is the right way, it just means that's how I like to fish.  As for dead fish, it happens.  As long as you aren't going over the limit (you have to count a kill against your limit) nothing wrong with it.  It sucks that people "release" edible fish and they die, but again, it happens.  If you are really that sad about some dead pellet-fed unnatural put-and-take trout dying, I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you about the life expectancy for those fish.  
 
TL;DR - lighten up Francis.  You should be happy that people want to share your sport, not hate them for how they choose to fish.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/11/01 13:53:03 (permalink)
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fisherofmen,Although I seldom use bait such as power bait I would think that by using circle hooks guys would eliminate most gut hooking.




Ive tried this with circle hooks and power bait. Trout still just swallow it and got gut hooked. The best way ive found out about not gut hooking a trout it would be fish with a hook that has longer shanks or bigger hooks.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/11/02 08:10:46 (permalink)
I usually just cut the hook leader off the hook will dissolve I have caught trout week later with my leader still in fish.Hooks are cheap.Life span of stocked pellet heads is short anyway.I think most people keep their fish some catch and release.
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Re: The PowerBait Game 2015/11/03 09:21:04 (permalink)
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Just saw this now. I'd have to agree. I've been guilty of gut hooking a few, and I set the hook within two seconds of the first bounce on the rod.
It's not worth it to fish this way.

How far of a distance between bobber and the jig? And do you let it sit or twitch it a lot? I always wondered if the bobber would spook the fish because it caused too much commotion.

This is one of my go to set ups (mostly pan fish, but works great on trout).  Just like steelhead, the distance varies and twitch or sit varies.  Sometimes they want it near the bottom, other times 2' down, other times 6" down.  Sometimes they require you shake the heck out of it, other times a twitch here and there, other times it needs to be still.  Sometimes you need some scent (gulps) other times hair jigs without any motion catches their fancy.  It's pretty easy to change depths and retrieves.  Changing out jigs is just like any other fishing changing out lures or flies.
 
I find that most fish in lakes, don't mind the sound of splashing bobbers, many it excites.  I've had pike & large mouth come up and take my bobber, leaving the jig below.  I've caught trout, perch, crappie, gills, large mouth and pike, all with hard twitches making a good top water commotion, then they grab the jig below.  Same thing works with a 1/64 or 1/32 jig head and fathead, meal worm or chunk of crawler.  Two of my favorites are the Cheech's Low Fat Minnow or Clouser.
 
Many times, I am reeling in fast and jigging like a twitch bait.  The bobber is only there for weight and keeping the jig above the weeds I am fishing over.
 
I'm sure if you get a non-circus hole up on the tribs, the hard twitches would attract them as well.  They're so spooked from the gauntlet, that you need to limit the noise.
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