far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not

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2014/10/04 10:23:57 (permalink)

far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not





 
Oddly the start of my fall vacation were oddly mirror images from salt to fresh. The fall striper migration is late and going in dribs and drabs. The fantastic weather also made for some huge crowds on  the  beaches and tons of boats parked along some of my favorite rips.  I caught a dozen or so stripers, all schoolies, but they all took some line and pulled hard and the sunsets were some of the best ever. After a weekend on the salt, we transitioned to the river and a semi-unplanned night at Stoney's camping. Let's just say fireworks were still going off at 3 am, we were still getting serenaded  by a Harley with straight pipes and the only people up at 5 besides us were blowing chunks in the bushes. Great place to party your azz off, not so if you actually plan to fish. I guess the town pool and ball park had lots of rippers arrive  around noon.
Selkirk was much, much better and dead quiet after 10. Our time on the river was highlighted by seeing some good people, meeting some, and some fish activity thrown in. I got to fish with Jack, Clint and Wayne and once again it was an honor and a pleasure. Final tally was 6 fair hooked Kings and 2 steel landed, all on swung flies.  It furthered the fact that I LOVE STEELHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!   That silly pic with me looking up with the steel, was because it was raining acorns! Deer and squirrels will have plenty of mast this winter. I was hoping for some steel to be around far more than the sharks and  some were. Thanks to Clint and Wayne for being good net men. I owe you both. I also enjoyed meeting Jack's cousin Glen and Wayne's Dad. I hope to fish with them both in the future.  Clint was telling me about getting a pistol permit. Maybe not a good idea, as we may have a new phrase- "going all LFZ on their azz" , after what he went through yesterday. I almost lost it a few times, and the rippers and lifters were out of hand. If this continues we'll have to do something folks. Lets not have the fly zones turn into Dawn's Hole. 
   As for flies, sz. 6 stones with  a peacock thorax for steel, orange comets sz. 4  for the sharks.
I did foul hook a couple dozen sharks, and lost many more, including some nice ho's to operator error and the usual just plain bad luck.  I'll go back when I can, but the next trip I'll be after trout only (unless I can sneak a suicide run/ rain day in next week to fish with Jack and Glen again).  Oh, yeah, I got to yell across the river at a guy that looked like a charter oak snapped off at about six and a half feet.  I hope we get to fish together this fall, 2b, I'm sure I'd have a ton of fun and learn a lot. The final tally leaves this trip  on the positive side. Thanks for the memories, guys.
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    Lucky13
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 11:38:09 (permalink)
    Nice!
     
    "Lets not have the fly zones turn into Dawn's Hole." From what I've seen, that happened in September and October about 5 years ago.  I think enforcement of the trespassing laws for being there at night could help, but you guys were in there about  an hour before legal fishing time to get your spot according to UF's post.  Maybe letting Fran Verdoliva know about what sounds like actual assault and potential battery that is starting to happen over perceived "long term lease agreements" could get some of those undercover ECO's up there for some real cuffs and collars, threatening or visiting bodily injury on another fisher is going to get you a much harder slap from the JP in Pulaski than a hook or leader violation, and you might actually see some of the worst black fly country in the Adirondacks from the inside (Why do you think Danemora is built where it is, no one in their right mind would try to escape, people have literally been eaten alive by the bugs in the wetlands surrounding the prison.)  Do people say that (that's my friends spot, he's just getting lunch) when they are on a beach fishing for Stripers, or out on a jetty waiting for false albacore, which sounds like the most intensive form of combat fishing on the planet?  Where do they get the idea that because they got into a spot after nighttime, it is theirs until night falls again whether they leave it or not.  All this is eventually going to lead to enforced rotation, which does give everyone an equal shot at all water, but also cuts your time in a run if you were the one who got to it first, and stayed and fished it.  I think we all agree that the guy sitting  on the bank retying his leader is still in the spot, but you go back to your car for something you forgot, or back in the woods to burn a blunt, or over to the Altmar for a hot roast beef sandwich, you are in line when you get back, not walking right into the water that someone else has rightfully occupied after you abandoned it.  
     
    Just sayin....
     
    I'll let someone else make the comments that arise from your statement and the area in another month when the back channels are filled with moldy king carcasses.
     
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 12:33:36 (permalink)
    Fichy, great story and beautiful pictures. Heck, I thought (bet
    I'm not alone) I was seeing Uncle Si holding the fish. (lol)

    You painted a terrific portrait with your story; making it easy for me to see your adventure with my minds' eye.

    Thanks for the memories.

    Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
     
     
     
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 16:19:30 (permalink)
    Charlie you are the Zen master, nice job.
     
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 17:44:22 (permalink)
    Well Charlie I took the class today for the permit.................
    People are just getting there earlier and earlier and staking their claim and  groups feel they can save a spot for a guy gone sometimes an hour.
    L well said and it is just not worth the hassle to argue with these type of people. Last year a group of drunkies came on my nephew was fishing with me and was relying, he left his coat on the ground right where he was standing. Guy literally came in and stood on his jacket and took his spot.
    All that said Charlie has it right we put up with it because we love the fish especially the steel.
     
    Charlie I am sure you will return the net later this winter.

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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 18:22:53 (permalink)
    Had a job most of my adult life where fights ( real fights) were commonplace=was kinda fun till I got older and it hurt longer and it took longer to heal..
    Can only fish those kinda spots for a very short time and  get disgusted and go elsewhere. When every fish caught is accompanied by a slob story it  just aint worth the aggravation IMHO.
     Rather go fish a fishless pocket someplace and avoid the BS.
    post edited by r3g3 - 2014/10/04 18:23:57
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 19:05:11 (permalink)
    My point is, I'd rather see the problems addressed before they become the norm. Fists weren't flying and no one was even threatened within my hearing. Just  some disagreements and tension. The LFZ is still not the trestle and attracts a lot of good people who respect the river and those around them. Just like many of us, they love the fishery. The good thing is steelhead are  much, much harder to snag and landing them on 4 lb. flossing tippet is tough. Not that the jerks have that kind of skill.  Most of the azzhats won't be back later in the season, and those that persist in their new found love of chucking weight on a fly rod will get a thorough skunking.  I put up with a little crap to fish great productive spots. I'd put up with a whole lot  more  crap to land those steel again, but that's just me. When those bullets were  bouncing around on the end of my rod, I wasn't paying a bit of attention to the crowd. other than to avoid them.  I never saw one person cross someone while they had a fish on and  almost all  carried their garbage out. Some of the  good people around them rubbed off a little, I think. Accentuate the positive.  I was being more than a  little tongue in cheek and using hyperbole about the pistol permit and use of force. If the fish had been dispersed throughout the river, this would be much less a problem, as Lucky pointed out. I have very good memories of this trip.  I never raised my voice in anger and had zero confrontations. I walked away when people did stupid things around me.  I got mad, but saw it as pointless to react.  I just don't want to see the bad behavior escalate. By the way, Wayne and I took turns at the spot we fished. Sometimes I roamed and fished an opening, sometimes I wandered back and took over for a very accomodating Wayne.   It worked. I yanked up a  a number of 1/0 est(in the)azz  flies out of some hairball snags. I laughed every time I did.
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 19:28:43 (permalink)
    Spot on Charlie, it's worth the hassle for the most part. The one guy was clueless to what he had done, the other guy was content with his 5 foot drift and the one guy was just an @$$. For the most part most folks are fine. One or two silver bullets erase all that.  If this was like years past, alot of these guys would have been else where. There were several in the mix (like the guy next to me ) that I don't think ever picked up a fly rod. I have never felt threatened there, but just pizzed of. I will usually walk before anything erupts because I am alone and not 6'5 like TB.  As far as the permit thing if I can carry I may, but would my demeanor change, I think no way. Just don't like confrontation. Never have, never will.  There are other spots to go, if it comes to that. 
    They are not all bad.  On Wednesday had a guy offer me his spot when someone got a little too close to me (and it was a producing spot). Asked if I could just move down two steps towards him and all was fine.

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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/04 20:29:14 (permalink)
    Nice read brother . Glad you played with some fun, salt and fresh. I miss the tug of a shark in moving water. Maybe another time for me.
    Hope to share some trout water together . .. Remember brown town is coming up and might suite some of us just fine now..
    Great day here for a fire:
    Thanks for sharing Charlie

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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/05 03:33:24 (permalink)
    Nice reads guys.
    Like I told you when that chucklehead moved into your spot while you tied up clint.
    In my younger days I would have said something but now I just won't let aszhats like that upset me and ruin my bliss.
    Now if he did that and then went into a whirlwind ripping motion maybe it would still be different.
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/05 09:55:03 (permalink)
    hot tuna
    Hope to share some trout water together . .. Remember brown town is coming up and might suite some of us just fine now
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    Seems to be some good movement from them already. I'm hoping.   Be great to  make some more  memories. Sorry you couldn't make this round, but you would have been a little turned off.  Save your time for the really good stuff. 
     
    When I was on the coast, I had another wonderful  Orvis wading gear failure. This time a pair of boots that are a year old went the way of the waders that were a year old. A sole peeled off and is totally unfixable. Of course it happened with fish in front of me and I was standing in clam mud and had to abandon ship.  These were freebies that acted as a replacement for the horrible failure of their Boggs bootfoot disaster. I went to a great shop on the coast of Maine and bought some Simms boots as a replacement. Last pair of those lasted me 3 years, or about 200 or so days. I walk a lot, so they get USED.
    My Simms G3's are still going after 6 years and have had one tiny leak I repaired 2 years ago. I bought the Orvis bootfoots because they were designed to be warmer in the winter. I bought the boots this time a size  larger for more circulation room. I know I could go into Orvis and get another replacement from my friends with no questions asked, but I figure there's no use.  I really need to rely on good waders in the winter and when I travel, not so much now. Still annoying to have your **** soaked out and a wet wallet from waders that are a year old and were priced over 300. Or the boots at 179.  Maybe there's something to be said for Made in America. Simms just plain rocks.  I have nothing against a lot of the cheaper brands of waders. It's the expensive ones that perform no better than them at 3 times the price that gets to me. 
          Friday morning Jailwater had a total of 10 cars in all the lots combined at 4:30.
    That kind of numbers won't even pay for the fence. Must be nice to have the  wherwithal to lose money like that and the political pull to wriggle out when you need to. I think HT's prediction will stick just like the name he gave them. The SR is not going to be the Miramichi or the Skeena any time soon , which means I can keep fishing it. On Jack's recommendation we ate at Eddy's one night (we've gone their about 6 times, now) and the food was great and low priced. We ate early, and it was filled with locals. That tell you something?  If you want to make a joke about them having no taste you can stick it.....
     
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/05 12:25:01 (permalink)
    Going to be pist if I hook up salmon on Tues.
    I'm fishing for trout from now on.
    Hope I can put up with the aszhats lower down.
    At least I got good practice putting up with them in the lfz this year.
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/05 13:55:24 (permalink)
    I see where lifting is now referred to as "bottom bouncing with estaz" on the Douglaston site.  Too late for me to get a day for this week, but I may try for the following week, although I 'm off Monday.
     
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/05 14:47:07 (permalink)
    Another great read from a break in the house work today. The weather all around has been kind to me . Hard rain all day yesterday allowed me to have a giant controlled burn. Sunshine today is allowing me to put the final house wrap on before I head in for a grave yard shift tonight .

    Your view and readings Charlie really make me miss the river, your assumption is right, I probably would have been pizzed off at others and left for barren water.

    I agree on the Simms gear. It seems to fit me better then or is gear and is good quality. I do need new boots ..
    Got a big revival party next weekend and deer camp the following .
    My long range out look for fishing is Holloween weekend and trout would be the focus . Hope the SR and weather will allow such.
    Good luck to all the venture into the great outdoors

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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/05 15:06:26 (permalink)
    I'm  sitting inside doing material lists and schedules. That's my birthday week and I'll break some tradition if I don't go. Boo! to the azzhats and trick or treat to the steel and browns.
    I hope we can plan something, bro.
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/08 09:29:12 (permalink)
    Nice time it looks like charlie.

    For the azzhat discussion, I was pushed out of my spot by first cast on Sunday morning. Not worthy of confrontation though. I mean its only a fish. I was fine standing side by side with my son on his rock. He managed to hook up all by himself but it was fouled. I played a few and lost a good fish at our feet after a 200+ yard chase. Really bummed that the early runners were not in good numbers. I usually hate fishing this time of year. I don't think it will ever change. But I do think respect levels are higher than I've ever seen on the river. I've watched off the lfz bridge a few times and I can honestly say I don't think I saw one fly fisherman. Granted, I learned how to fly fish by drying flies with a back hand cast . by no means am I the appitimy of fly fishing though... And with that being said I am not opposed to someone using weight on the fly rod. I have actually been thinking of going back to my early approaches for steel this year in the lower river. Fishing is all about enjoying yourself. And Charlie's post clearly shows how much he enjoyed himself. If there is company there that ruins your time, than its not "your" time. Bottom line... Jack it was great to run in to you and catch up. Was a pleasure meeting your cousin glen also. I honestly think a steelhead gathering in the near future would be a great idea... Have fun guys
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/08 20:06:05 (permalink)
    Numbers were a bit lower this week, but still pretty high. Ellis lot was full to the brim

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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 07:00:40 (permalink)
    Looks like someone brought along a mirror!
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 08:07:44 (permalink)
    And has unrealistic expectations  regarding being thought of as more than an azzhat. The only thing you can do with  tiny drifts in the midst of snaggers is snag. In order to use the legal weight and set up a good drift it requires more space than you think is reasonable. If you're windmilling with the rest of the holes, you fit right in. I rotated a specific spot with a friend to give us the space we needed to fish legally and ethically,  you have no aspirations of doing either. You could see the salmon resting in the slow seam tight in front of the north bank and the line of holes ripping into them.  They belonged in the ball park, where I told you, Chartist , you belong.  They'll  even boot you out of the DSR , so you might as well find a comfortable home. You also might consider the fact your a pariah here and are as welcome as Ebola.
    post edited by fichy - 2014/10/11 08:25:19
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 08:44:13 (permalink)
    Last week I waded to a place where I could get a decent swing.
    Had to time the high stickers on the far bank and fly splashdown was at their toes but I only tangled twice in a couple hours of fishing.
    Once when a guy moved in below me and cast across my drift unknowingly.
    The second when a coho I had on ran into a cannonballers line that was hung on bottom.
     
    All you need is to know how to fish.
     
    Lucky and I making a run on Wed hopefully.
    The steelfish build is in gear.
     
     
     
    Old school west coast flies.
    Size 6 and 10.
    Only a couple dozen more of each to go.
    Hope I can make myself tie enough to share with Bill.
     
    Starting the 1/0 black estaz flies next.
    Oh wait I forgot I don't need those cause I'm not a dirty tail hooking clarist.
     
     
    post edited by twobob - 2014/10/11 10:04:40
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    Clint S
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 09:46:17 (permalink)
    Those 2 at the bottom with wire body will be killers. I lost a beauty Friday on one just like that. I like a peacock hurl head with  brown hackles or just use brown estaz for the head. TB I am almost definitely fishing on Wednesday unless it is pouring. Let me know where you guys will be. Worse case we could meet at Melinda's or something for a minute. 

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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 09:55:27 (permalink)
    Will do clint.
    They were just what I slapped together to break the boredom of production tying.
    Just used what I had lying around.
    Look good to me.
    Heavy wire scud hook would make them look awesome.
     
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 10:08:34 (permalink)
    One point chartist does have though is the angler to drift length ratio. It is a tough and inevitable bout to say the least. From what Ive seen in the zones(mostly lower zone) lately coupled with the now facts of natural reproduction, I am almost on the fence of saying they should close it on up as it used to be. If people want a perfect fly fishing setting this river would really have to go to an Atlantic fishery with no weight... But that's not what it is... Its just a river getting filled up with oldy moldies at this point and the same crowds that have always come to catch them every year . I rarely see a fair hooked fish off the rt. 52 bridge even in steelhead season. This is not a post targeted towards anyone. Just an overall opinion based on what I see. One hope I have is high water soon to protect the steelies from ThE now "annual" slaughter that takes place when they run the lower river in recent years
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    Re: far from the madding crowds, well... sometimes, but mostly not 2014/10/11 10:22:47 (permalink)
    Twobob timing and awareness is key with drifting. And patience /acceptance of whatever your best case scenario is key.
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