fichy
There's more doublespeak and politicianese in that crap than in the  NYS fishing regulations. I wanna fish , not look at spread sheets.  On that note, the  4 wd & yak's going into a backwoods smallie lake. Truck's packed with camp and fish gear. I'll worry about " to pay or not to pay, that is the question" some other time.

That's the best idea I  heard. 
I was just wondering how often they even get to 500 and how crowded 250 is, more BS.  Don't matter anyway as I will probably not see that place unless it is as the guest during steelie season. Not being able to fish till October will put me out of alot of the nice earlier runs too.  Too bad as last I heard I was moving up the list for the season pass and was going to get it.  Well enough of that, oh yeah it is raining here AGAIN.

250 is a pretty light crowd there... Just sayin... Its definitely an opinionated/ political argument and I stay out of it. I did fish it late this morning for a short period of time with no luck. With this rain it may make for some hope tomorrow as some fish have been witnessed throughout town. Water may keep going up though which will spread out the minimal fish...

Thanks DB just wondering what the crowds were usually like down there. Never been during peak season and had no ideas at all. So yes it will be a better experience with less people, but it will come at a price. Everyone just has to decide if. the price is right for them...........

If I got it right the are saying the 250 is the max number inc guides and clients? How the heck do they know how many clients are gonna show ???
Guess the guides must have to preregister or they could never get the proper number of tickets for sale-
OH by the way-  how many season pass guys are gonna show ???
 Think the 250 may be a nice goal but only a rumor lol= at any rate the attempt at 250 WILL make it nicer with more open water-- in the morning.
After 1 PM the afternoon passes will be sold -so  ya might still get  to 500 for half the day  in the silly season
 Or do they throw out the  high paying AM guys and season guys and guides and clients for the lower paying PM group- the new rules on their face don't add up to the sales pitch IMHO.
 Heck, when I started fishing that water there was NO DSR and it was still packed.

Maybe the state should just build one of these and fire the fish directly into the black hole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICS32kady4
 

Fishing is not always democratic....Like they say, if you have to ask how much, it's probably not for you.....I love the DSR and I've booked four days at 50 per day....If 100 per day would cut the crowd in half, I'd pay it....I got hit in the head by a snagger on the ball field hole two years ago...Darn near passed out in the river...The guy new he'd hit me hard and apologized....I've never seen that type on the DSR.

250 is max during peak based on their averages throughout the year. Season pass holder max in One day in recent years was 68. Season pass holders frequent weekdays more than weekends. They set up some type of cushion in which they have 30 openings for seasons pass holders as a reserve. So if that cushion on a peak season day is not fulfilled the max will actually be 220 and they will still be considered sold out of day passes... They did assure season pass holders will never be turned away. Based on this new system it sounds like there will never be an actual Max of 250...

And 500 was a sell out, but how about the sneak ins years ago... I'm sure there's been days near 1000 at times

The rangers do a fair job of policing the DSR...I watched one throw a fisherman out at 10 am after he admitted that it was his stringer with three salmon on it.  It clearly states once you put three on a stringer, you must go.  I had one bark at me as he claimed I was impeding the migration of the fish through a narrow spot in the river.  It was my first time on that river and didn't realize it.  Live and learn.

twobob
Traumatic brain injury explains so much!

TBI is often accompanied by PTSD. Persistent trolling/snagging disorder.
Thanks, Dr. Twobee for that diagnosis.
  First hour I was ever in the DSR an azzcave jumped in front of me to body snag a fish in the tail of the glide .  He thought I was wasting time trying to get it to take on the swing.  LOTS of snaggers there, too.

What's funny is that when I "fish" my "secret" spot I have success with the Salmon and most are hooked "IN" the mouth.It must be that they are not molested.......HE....HE....

TB,you're correct.If the zones did n't exist I would n't visit the SR until November.

"aggressive like a soccer Mom looking for a parking space on Black Friday."~Fichy

D@mn-it Boy!! Now that there is funny.... I don't care who you are.

This is my dream....I know it's a pipe dream.....make the entire SR a "fly fishing" only river and "ENFORCE" the rules.....then and only then it would be a "world class" fishery.
The state of NY  really dropped the ball when they promoted snagging and won't do whats necessary to stop it.

Geesh Trev, it was 19 years ago the state banned legal snatching . That's a long time for folks to get the message.
I remember walking into any gas station or tackle shop ( except whittakers ) and everyone asked to sign the petition to reverse the decision. Tony G even sued the state over it.
At first the number of people dropped but then came the J- plug craze where they adapted the regs to continue snatching. Heck even the dsr was full of plug throwers. Finally the dsr with help from Fred outlawed them on their property and it took a good long while before the dec put another reg in place ( nov-1) to try and curb the issue. Since then as always people found ways to tweak the regulations to continue the so called ban on snatching, longe leaders etc. Now you see again how people have tweaked the regs again in the use of fly rods. Long limber fly rods are one of the most deadly snatching tools out there especially when spooled with mono. You see more fly rods on the river during salmon season then spinning rods. Think of the wind millers just sweeping and lifting , got 1 .
I'm not so sure Jacks vision of flyfishing only is the answer, the enforcement part however is.
Think of it like this. We all speed in our vehicle. If you drive an area repeatedly your gonna get caught. Eventually your are going to think twice about speeding through that area if you know it's frequented by a speed trap. You will still drive but you will follow the speed limit , well unless you have deep pockets and just don't care. There are always gonna be those types no matter how many tickets they get

Before that it was legal snagging UP TO the Pville bridge and if you wanted to fish for real you had to fish over fish that had escaped the spider gauntlet or mix in  with the boat rodders.
 
Things change and number of "fishermen" goes up and down but in the end real fishermen replace the snaggers as they find the situation improving.
Money still comes in but the more ethical businesses gain while the lowest common denominator types lose.
Phuck them to hell anyway.
Enforcement times a thousand!
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
If you have something to fear get the phuck off the river and let someone who respects the fishery enjoy it.
 
 
Sorry for the rant but kind of thinking about the all mighty dollar boils my blood.