troutbum21
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 08:43:34
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Don't know what NYS paid for the Portly Angler but the old schoolhouse would have been a better pickup for a number of reasons. It would have protected fishing rights and could have been the new home for EnCon recruits/in-service training.
I won't shed a proverbial "tear" if the Tailwater fades into oblivion. Let's hope it is sooner than later.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 11:24:54
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I really don't see how they can be profitable,no matter how deep their pockets are they will tire of losing money and let the banks deal with it.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 12:20:27
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well they have very substantial tax exemptions for the next 10 years and its all a write off for the next few...so, while i doubt the turn a profit....they don't need to
it will be interesting to see how this all plays out
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 13:40:18
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Was in and out of Pulaski a few times this winter and noticed fishing was wayyyy down and that the Jailhouse seemed deserted for the most part- looked closed most of the time-only a car or two in the lot.
We will see about April through May and Shark season.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 17:50:03
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Another guy from the peanut gallery heard from. Glad to hear from ta Trev hope all is going well. Your right EVERY time I go by there is not 1 car in the lot. Sure it will have some stayers during shark season, but only when the other hotels are filled. Why would you stay there when you get 4 to 6 guys and probably stay at the DSR with better fishing. There will be the few that want the better accommodations, but they will NEVER fill the place with those type of folks, because honestly there are not enough of them around.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 18:57:18
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X'2 ... Glad to hear from you Trev and sounds like your enjoying the retired place.. Now give that rod a work out every now and again :)
I don't know about some things you said Clint..
I work for a lot of that "type"..
Also have stayed at both places they own in cuse, Sky and Genney.. They were both pretty busy but of course from corporate folks on the company dime (self included- minus the suit) ..
Charlie is on to something though.. Big Biz is getting tight on the reigns for the mid and lower level staff so they can still keep the jets flying for themselves..
Man how things have changed in the last 20 and again in even 8 or so years..
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 20:18:48
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I am talking about have people in rooms all year not just peak fishing. Sure there are folks who will pay and stay during Sept 15 through Dec 15, but what about the other months. I just have a feeling that those places in the cuse are busier due to the amount other amenities available in the city, especially if we are talking work related conferences. Remember if your are meeting all day you cannot fish and what is there to do in Altmar on off time. In Syracuse you have a huge mall, theater, sporting events, bars, ect ect, many in walking distance. My vote is you will rarely see 4 to 5 rooms booked out of 42 during summer months and maybe a few more in the dead of winter.
Don't get me wrong though they are they and that is that. I truly hope the sell out every room every day of the year. More tax dollars in the town and counties coffers and more jobs and after 10 years more property tax dollars. All will benefit the community
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/25 20:36:28
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Frankly their prices arent outa line for a good place in most decent vacation areas--that said fishermen on the Sr aren't gonna pony up those kinda bucks on the wrong end and wrong side of the river in the BIG ( shark) season that attracts the most attention. They are simply asking too much when ya gotta drive for better spots anyhow.
IMHO they are likely to have a short run without a lot of the group participation they advertised, likely having little to do with fishing other than a sideline after the meetings and such.
Why they are buying up more property is beyond me but its their cash, heck even with fisherman numbers being back to the old days levels many of the old overnight places are long gone-- likely more day trippers saving money in this economy.
Like I read someplace- we didn't loose anything but some land that really wasn't ours to begin with as the PFR is on the North side--the State really dropped the ball here and oughta pony up for as much right of way as they can get their hands on. We been loosing property that has traditionally been fished all along the river lately to new owners and this coulda been a no brainer for PFR as it was already owned by Govt..
Walkways downtown are nice and there are more on the way but CMON- get more frontage with your money NY - its shoulder to shoulder out there.
SR is a Govt sponsored victory story-don't blow it---
Rant over.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 07:21:10
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A lot of folks are also banking on the Atlantic program taking off a little more. Then you'd have folks wanting rooms in June and July as well as early August. And one person I recently spoke with was up there last June and said the LFZ was loaded with Ska's. Maybe NYS is thinking about a change in seasons to allow people to get at some of those, or maybe the Hotel is seeing a good number out front of them as well. Sometimes business success is being ahead of the game when one senses a change coming. Then, of course, there is the fact that, whatever NYSDEC wants to do or thinks is the mission, they answer to people over them that have totally different agendas. Think back to the "raise the license fee, and then Albany won't let you spend the money to hire anyone" situation of a couple years back.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 09:34:01
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Decent summer run fishes have been advertised since I started decades ago- never happened- most likely IMHO because of the low Summer waters- perhaps with minimum flows there can be some new thinking.
One good pod of a very small gross amount of fish hanging in the zone is a nice thing but not a real fishable thing- I hope they do attempt to increase them----
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 10:20:06
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Lucky13
A lot of folks are also banking on the Atlantic program taking off a little more. Then you'd have folks wanting rooms in June and July as well as early August. And one person I recently spoke with was up there last June and said the LFZ was loaded with Ska's. Maybe NYS is thinking about a change in seasons to allow people to get at some of those, or maybe the Hotel is seeing a good number out front of them as well. Sometimes business success is being ahead of the game when one senses a change coming. Then, of course, there is the fact that, whatever NYSDEC wants to do or thinks is the mission, they answer to people over them that have totally different agendas. Think back to the "raise the license fee, and then Albany won't let you spend the money to hire anyone" situation of a couple years back. L13
I gotta say, L-13 might be onto something there with the June- August fishery.. I know millions have gone into the programs with out the success it was intended. I heard or read that they may have the Atlantic problem with disease figured out. If so and the returns or catch rates on the lake indicate as such then controlling the flow of water is somewhat a manageable thing. A summer fishery would for sure peak the interests of a whole different group of fishermen , mainly and I use the term loosely , higher end with the occasional regular joes like myself until word spread that it was and established summer fishery. The good thing is it would really support the area more then just the lake fishers at that time. Bad news would be more corporations with deep pockets would jump at the chance to secure as much water as possible. As always only time will tell .
post edited by hot tuna - 2014/03/26 10:21:43
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 12:19:13
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 12:59:36
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I would like to point out that...... You can stay in a DSR lodge for about the same price as TWL. The DSR includes high quality private access and the DSR lodges are far from sold out. Maybe during the peak of the run, but thats about it. The DSR made more money off me, (living in his meadow house for 12yrs) at $550/month, then he makes yearly, after converting it into a lodge. TWL? $179/night no good access? I wish them well, but I wouldn't bank on it.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 17:46:30
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Good to hear you are still out there, Mr. M!
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 17:54:59
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Hey Bill good to hear from you.
And now I can't sneak in over the hill there.
Well I could but might be a bit of trouble if I got caught.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/26 18:17:16
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thanks for the insight carphd and the link pen..
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/27 11:49:33
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I continue to have access to passes, Mowing customer connections. The only time I ever payed was in 94-95', I think I payed for guide passes for 2yrs. As I recalled, they were $200 for 3 passes and guides could make a cast. I haven't payed since. So 2Bob, if we could ever time it right and get together, we could still get in and we wouldn't have to sneak over the hill.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/27 16:05:20
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Bill what are you doing say mid oct til mid nov.
Getting old now so I usually hit the road home by 2 pm or so
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/27 17:19:29
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getting old now and usually don't hit the river until 2pm.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/27 18:22:59
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Getting old as well and only fish after I wake up in the morning WITHOUT an alarm and after coffee and some time to adjust to another day alive. Used to wait in the Am line for C and M to open-- no more C and M - no more of THAT either. One fishie late in the morning today is better than a few before sunup yesterday -IMHO
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 05:56:36
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Ya but you two get to roll outta the bunk and be on the water in 15 minutes.
It takes some planning and drive time for me.
So far it still looks like tues for me.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 07:03:49
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Insidious forces are scheming to keep me in thrall for a couple of more years, but if I can overpower them and still buy a vehicle, I'll be out of the yoke by October, so I may be able to get Tuesday's with little or no aggravation. If I have my way, I'll be up there for October and November, but my wife usually gets her way, and extended camp outs do not fit her planning.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 10:20:45
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See, this is what the TWL is all about, roll out of your 5 star room, have your tea and crumpets, and join in the rotation of the world class school house pool.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 11:42:44
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carphd
See, this is what the TWL is all about, roll out of your 5 star room, have your tea and crumpets, and join in the rotation of the world class school house pool.
That's a good one.....world class school house pool!!!..... 
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 12:41:52
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sipping scotch on the rocks and smoking fat cigars while enjoying the view across the river of long hairs drinking Busch and hand rolled cigs.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 19:01:54
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Well cross lines with those fishing the world famous schoolhouse pool.
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/28 19:15:24
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Six months to go and my plans are solidified....Rented a house in down town Pulaski.....Have my crew getting vacation days set.....Got 100 flies tied and ordered another 100 1/0 hooks......I love those 1/0 hooks.. 
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/29 02:59:40
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/29 11:47:03
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Missed a couple and booted 3 this morning.
Have to relearn setting the hook on every bump like the flybobber fishers do instead of feeling the real pull first.
Change out the Echo for the replaced Orvis stick while at the same time dropping down to 8# after not being below 10# all year.
Bad choice.
One of the 3 circled the tailout (where I was fishing) and fell off. One I played for a minute or so and on the second jump cracked me.
The third I had at my feet twice before I heavyhanded it as it made a third attempt at going over into the rapid.
Coulda grabbed it if it was the small hen I've been looking for but it would have been the gill plate death grip and it was a male so off it went while I was hoping to tire it a little more so it would be more controllable.
Chuckles any plans for 4/1 yet?
Where you thinking of meeting and when?
Sign in for the derby?
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Re: Update on what Tailwater had in mind from begining
2014/03/29 14:04:38
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Yep.
May have to tale a ride later.
L13
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