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My posts are as well received here as Chartist's, but I'll add one more before  I go back to the occasional lurk. This topic may be a moot point, as the PFR bank rights are sold in perpetuity and are maintained irrespective of property changing hands. If you look at Tailhook's  Facebook page, you'll read some interesting things between the lines. They are offering some promotional discounts for lodging and they have a plea out for guides to be on their list. This tells me a few things- that 179 bucks is not very palatable to most, and that the locals aren't fawning all over them and lining up to go into indentured servitude. They very well may attempt to get the North Bank through some legal; shenanigans, but they'll face a number of obstacles to get there.
  1. This would create an instant problem for the state boat launch- if they succeed, they very well may be forced to pay for another launch below their property.
 2. Local opinion will be such that acts of "terrorism" will be inevitable. A few clients with Ohio plates with slashed tires will put out a very effective ad campaign in the wrong direction.
 3. The state's tax coffers aren't served when you trade  the many penny pinching paupers for the well heeled occasional visitor. Local businesses will suffer, as Chartist stated he'll eat somewhere expensive, but displace 3 guys who'll spend half as much as he does. You do the math.  Tax breaks and tax write-offs do not spell profit and real revenue generation.
 4. The potential for corporate business ala conventions is on the wane.
Investors don't want to see lavish expense accounts for the mid level rabble any longer. You can easily conduct business over your phone and tele-conferencing- no need for very expensive conventions that eat profits. Many cities are dialing back on their plans for convention centers, Albany's included. TL is going to have an even harder go.
   They're starting to do the foolish practice of throwing money at a bad idea. In the end, they may hold their own, and make the 99'ers suck ****, but there will be some bad blood generated.  
   For myself, I leave for one of the premier rainbow rivers in the US next week, the San Juan. I'll spend my time doing some pretty difficult technical fishing for 20" plus bows with flies from 22 thru 28. I'll be camping for 9 bucks a night and eating off my backpacking stove. There's not much for fancy lodging nearby, anyway. The SJ seems to attract real fisherman that don't need to resort to snagging to have a successful trip. I'm also taking a rim to rim backpacking trip in the Grand Canyon , but that ain't fishin'.
It's a very sad state of affairs when people think snagging sharks in the SR is a badge of honor and a sign of angling skill. It's worth it to us that don't travel that far and  spend a lot of money on it for some laughs and fun, but pretty ludicrous to consider it on par with Atlantic Salmon fishing, or many, many other fisheries  across the economic spectrum that require real skills.
   That's enough from me for the next 6 or 7 months.
Hope everyone has a productive spring and summer.
 
 
 
 
 
 

I fished the San Juan last summer....It is not a technical river, it's a float trip down a tailwater.  The scenery is boring as you'll ever experience in a trout area.  You want a wonderful New Mexico fishing experience, try fishing further north in the Chama Valley, specifically the Brazos river....Now that's beautiful and technical.

Sent an Email to the head of DEC this morning asking if the pfr was secured in perpetuity or not.
Let you know when I get an answer.
Also let you know if I don't get a response after a couple business days.

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission also requires as part of licensing of production facilities that recreational access be provided to the public.  This will need to be pursued.
 
 If somehow the Power Company sold easement rights in perpetuity to NYS and now tries to hornsawaggle them back, it might be time to urge the employment of eminent domain.  DEC has committed in the past to only obtaining access through willing seller arrangements, but if the easements have already been paid for once, there was a willing seller.
 
I might have to buy a kayak and start making multiple runs down the upper SR! Anyone for a few days flotilla at peak of salmon season?
 
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After reading the latest posts I doubt that the Tailwater scumbag hotel will be able to restrict access on the north side.But as I said before they,the Tailwater scumbag,will NEVER see any of my money....EVER!

pafisher
After reading the latest posts I doubt that the Tailwater scumbag hotel will be able to restrict access on the north side.But as I said before they,the Tailwater scumbag,will NEVER see any of my money....EVER!

Yea I see them trying to restrict access and make people walk up the easement, the next fight would be where is the easement end.   I could also see them riding it out a little  and when people start leaving garbage everywhere then saying the PFR is lowering the property values or something like that.   Lawyers are slimy tricky people

trolls be trolls.
 

As I said before,ignore anything he says and do not respond to any of his stupid posts.Or maybe the admin.that review these boards can just ban him as they did in the past.
Dime you do realize he loves to goad you and others....don't you?

As 2b has suggested before, it's perhaps time to have a real moderator drawn from the ranks to control issues like this. I think this economic disparity/class warfare troll had several  of us discussing an  Occupy Pulaski movement  a few years ago.   I spent near that 3k this year, but was on the water far more often than the troll. In that time, I netted and photographed fish for people, helped newcomers, gave directions, and put a few smiles on people's faces. I also had a few ready to throw down because I called their illegal s****. Nancy and I also picked up lots of trash, and even attended the local church and left a good donation. It's gratifying to me that I've been a helpful visitor of the river, not just a depositor of a few sheckels. There's more to life than just paying for it. The SR hasn't been treated like a call girl by me.  Some know no better, and think money buys everything. What infuriates me and caused me to break my silence is how the moderator/admin shut down Jack for profanity, but did not bother to read the inflammatory content that caused it.  This forum seems to exist as a loose collection of semi-like minded  fishermen, who actually can fish together IN PERSON.  There's no question who people would rather fish with. People line up to be Jack's net man. Though I seem to get under the collar of Tuna and Dime, I don't intentionally do so, they just don't like what I post as  sometimes I'm very sarcastic and we have very different  lives and interests. I really feel I'm no better than anyone, but I'm no worse, either.  We can still put aside our differences and share a piece of water, though.  This  cyber-community is fairly tolerant as long as people are respectful and at least make some attempt to modify or explain their views politely. If you're a troll, that's not on the agenda. I hope when I come back here in the early fall, there'll be more laughs and thank yous than people typing with balled fists and blood pressure off the charts.  I hope the regulars here consider what I said about a mod.  2B saw the need awhile ago, I heartily agree.  Thanks for having me this season, and excuse another post.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
We all have our tipping points Dime and I'm as guilty as anyone  but please..
 

dimebrite2
Chartist, what makes you think you can say something like that? All I can think is you are an a** hole... bottom line. And honestly that's one of my biggest problems with this fishery is a** holes like yourself and the a** clown that wrote on clints car... too many self entitled elitist, snobby, piece of s*it a**holes... and its always been here, but more than ever now. couple mass social media with it and here comes a few thousand more a**holes!!! All over some stupid fish. That's the funniest part. Altmar was a joke this weekend. Spring and summer can't come fast enough so a**holes like yourself and local river ****s can become obsolete from our little slice of heaven we have here... Go f**k yourself!

You have something special in the SR, there's no doubt.  But you're not going to keep it to yourself, that was not the intention of the government.  The intention was to drive fishing tourism.  Now you want more elbow room?  Drive prices up and more people will stay home.  But some of you slamming that investment company for developing an old school into something viable makes no sense.   

Char, we have many things special in New York don't you in Ohio ?
Should we New York folk tell you how to run your state ?
Gosh almighty ... Move to NY or shut the heck up and stay in Ohio

Lets get this thread back to what it was intended for.
 
 
This seems to be the canned response from the DEC
 
Thanks for your email and for your interest in maintaining public fishing access along the Salmon River.  With regard to our Public Fishing Right's (PFR), they are easements that are permanently deeded to the state. Typically we buy the fishing rights from the landowner and the agreed upon rights of access, whether they are a 33 or 66 foot wide right-of-way along the stream bank, become the states forever. Relative to the PFR along the Salmon River, what you see on our website is accurate and we have no intent of ever forfeiting any portion of those rights. Relative to the parcel of property on the northeast side of the river adjacent to our Altmar North Parking Lot, our current interpretation is that the PFR easement associated with the National Grid owned property is still continuous along this entire stretch. If a conflict were to arise in the future we are prepared to do all we can to alleviate the situation in a manner that will benefit the angling public.
 
Thanks again for your concern and I hope this explanation provides you a better understanding of our fishing rights along the Salmon River.


 
Region 7 Fisheries Office
NYSDEC
1285 Fisher Avenue
Cortland NY, 13045
(607) 753-3095

The words current interpretation are a bit scary.
 
 
 
 
This is the canned worthless letter from the gubbenors office

Thank you for your e-mail. To build a stronger, better New York, we need the participation of citizens like you - sharing your ideas, comments, and concerns. Your input is invaluable to our mission to create a government that works for its people, and I appreciate you taking the time to reach out to me.

I want to assure you that your e-mail has been received and that it will be read and shared with the appropriate members of my staff.

I encourage you to return to my website, where you can review my Administration's initiatives and familiarize yourself with my office and YOUR state government.

Thank you again for sharing your perspective and for joining in the effort to build a new New York.

Sincerely,

Andrew M. Cuomo
 
 
 
At least the DEC's letter had info on the issue

Guys, pfr is in place on the said waters... of course anything is refutable... anyone can refute anything and try to throw their weight around. It would be a huge slap in the face if they overturn the pfr though... and I agree tuna, a huge amount of internet garble over something that most likely "shouldnt" happen...

Unless they originally saw it as a stopover for the night, get picked up by the guide in the AM place with a little water for the evening, after cocktails thing, the " home pool", but the elites have not been exactly breaking down the door to get in there.  They may not have figured weather into their equation, and after this winter, anyone who didn't have enough in the bank to ride out months of nearly no anglers is hurting.
 
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