Update on what Tailwater Updated responses

If this is in fact truth, shops and fishermen alike should picket in front of the place.
If this in fact goes through , anglers should completely BOYCOTT the salmon river for a period of 1 year.
It would be a pretty BOLD statement that might get the local shops to think twice about the people that support the fishery, not the other way around.
I could easily set a year out but highly doubt others would show enough solidarity to make a difference

Personally, I don't mind private enterprise....I will pay for more elbow room.  It's way too cheap to fish on the SR now....The locals are crushing it....I drive 500 miles to fish and it's often not easy to find elbow room...Let the locals have the town pools....Make everyone else pay and pay and pay.

Tuna, no offense, but it's not guys like you helping the community.....It's guys like me making the trip up 5 times during the fall, spending $70 at the river house each night....Spending at the hotels....Spending at Fat Nancy's or the Orvis place....I spent $500 this past fall for the DSR alone...I know I spent $3000 fishing the SR last year....

chartist
Personally, I don't mind private enterprise....I will pay for more elbow room.  It's way too cheap to fish on the SR now....The locals are crushing it....I drive 500 miles to fish and it's often not easy to find elbow room...Let the locals have the town pools....Make everyone else pay and pay and pay.

 
Dude you wonder why people have a huge dislike for you.  I have tried to stay out of bashing you but c'mon.  I had alot more to say, but it is not even worth the effort.
 

hot tuna
Good for you . Stay in Ohio

 
Nuff said right there

You are so very wrong if you think it's guys like you .
You have no idea how many times I have fished that river in the last 30 some years. You have no idea how many lodges, shops and eateries I supported that are no longer even there.
Do you pay New York taxes ? Well if not then you have no idea how much my state income taxes support the state of New York fisheries .
It's guys like YOU that think they can make those few trips to New York and spend peanuts and want change because they thinks their so little coin is making a difference compared to guys like US here who actually support the fishery.
Save you peanut chump change and stay in Ohio

So only someone who can afford to pay should be allowed to fish in an exceptional fishery.  I have lived here my WHOLE FING LIFE and  put more than your 3k a year into this community.   So because I cannot afford to pay I am not allowed to fish in something MY tax dollars fund.  People like you are the problem not the solution.   Another self-rightous,  I am entitled just because I have money and you don't..........................
 
 
 Rich you beat me to posting.
Same thoughts

Right on Clint !!
It's people like that who do absolutely nothing in support of a fishery ..
Mr.1/0 hook has no concept and New York would be much better without them.

Ah..... It ain't worth wasting my time discussing with a closed minded selfish idiot

No Tune.....You want to feed at the salad buffet for $2.99 and eat all you want...You know what, private enterprise realizes that buffet is way too cheap and being gobbled up by cheapskate locals....Make it $200 for a weekend pass...I'd love it....

aha, love it Coldfront....I don't like cheap fishermen....now pony up and enjoy the best stream east of the Rockies.....

I could stay on the home water for a year.
I would also vote against anyone in office that allows this to happen.
I would support closing the hatchery and ending the minimum flow policy.
That would over a 5 year period virtually end natural repo.
Change the law to no kill for the entire river and change it to say when you have landed a fish you must stop fishing .
 
Then put on an ad campaign say come fish the world famous SR elitists, suckers, and ashholes.
Then twats like our resident troll can have the river to himself.
He fits the requirements to a T.

The SR is a great fishery and resource. For big business to make it a pay to play is a shame. I guess some guys feel the more money you spend the better you are. I hope this doesn't go through.

My posts are as well received here as Chartist's, but I'll add one more before  I go back to the occasional lurk. This topic may be a moot point, as the PFR bank rights are sold in perpetuity and are maintained irrespective of property changing hands. If you look at Tailhook's  Facebook page, you'll read some interesting things between the lines. They are offering some promotional discounts for lodging and they have a plea out for guides to be on their list. This tells me a few things- that 179 bucks is not very palatable to most, and that the locals aren't fawning all over them and lining up to go into indentured servitude. They very well may attempt to get the North Bank through some legal; shenanigans, but they'll face a number of obstacles to get there.
  1. This would create an instant problem for the state boat launch- if they succeed, they very well may be forced to pay for another launch below their property.
 2. Local opinion will be such that acts of "terrorism" will be inevitable. A few clients with Ohio plates with slashed tires will put out a very effective ad campaign in the wrong direction.
 3. The state's tax coffers aren't served when you trade  the many penny pinching paupers for the well heeled occasional visitor. Local businesses will suffer, as Chartist stated he'll eat somewhere expensive, but displace 3 guys who'll spend half as much as he does. You do the math.  Tax breaks and tax write-offs do not spell profit and real revenue generation.
 4. The potential for corporate business ala conventions is on the wane.
Investors don't want to see lavish expense accounts for the mid level rabble any longer. You can easily conduct business over your phone and tele-conferencing- no need for very expensive conventions that eat profits. Many cities are dialing back on their plans for convention centers, Albany's included. TL is going to have an even harder go.
   They're starting to do the foolish practice of throwing money at a bad idea. In the end, they may hold their own, and make the 99'ers suck ****, but there will be some bad blood generated.  
   For myself, I leave for one of the premier rainbow rivers in the US next week, the San Juan. I'll spend my time doing some pretty difficult technical fishing for 20" plus bows with flies from 22 thru 28. I'll be camping for 9 bucks a night and eating off my backpacking stove. There's not much for fancy lodging nearby, anyway. The SJ seems to attract real fisherman that don't need to resort to snagging to have a successful trip. I'm also taking a rim to rim backpacking trip in the Grand Canyon , but that ain't fishin'.
It's a very sad state of affairs when people think snagging sharks in the SR is a badge of honor and a sign of angling skill. It's worth it to us that don't travel that far and  spend a lot of money on it for some laughs and fun, but pretty ludicrous to consider it on par with Atlantic Salmon fishing, or many, many other fisheries  across the economic spectrum that require real skills.
   That's enough from me for the next 6 or 7 months.
Hope everyone has a productive spring and summer.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Here is the kick in the head: Tailwater gets a sweetheart price, tax abatements for ten years and then has the audacity to buy property on the north river bank in the hope of negating public fishing rights.  I wonder how the owner gets his pants on in the morning with balls that big? 

fichy
My posts are as well received here as Chartist's, but I'll add one more before  I go back to the occasional lurk. This topic may be a moot point, as the PFR bank rights are sold in perpetuity and are maintained irrespective of property changing hands. If you look at Tailhook's  Facebook page, you'll read some interesting things between the lines. They are offering some promotional discounts for lodging and they have a plea out for guides to be on their list. This tells me a few things- that 179 bucks is not very palatable to most, and that the locals aren't fawning all over them and lining up to go into indentured servitude. They very well may attempt to get the North Bank through some legal; shenanigans, but they'll face a number of obstacles to get there.  1. This would create an instant problem for the state boat launch- if they succeed, they very well may be forced to pay for another launch below their property. 2. Local opinion will be such that acts of "terrorism" will be inevitable. A few clients with Ohio plates with slashed tires will put out a very effective ad campaign in the wrong direction. 3. The state's tax coffers aren't served when you trade  the many penny pinching paupers for the well heeled occasional visitor. Local businesses will suffer, as Chartist stated he'll eat somewhere expensive, but displace 3 guys who'll spend half as much as he does. You do the math.  Tax breaks and tax write-offs do not spell profit and real revenue generation. 4. The potential for corporate business ala conventions is on the wane.Investors don't want to see lavish expense accounts for the mid level rabble any longer. You can easily conduct business over your phone and tele-conferencing- no need for very expensive conventions that eat profits. Many cities are dialing back on their plans for convention centers, Albany's included. TL is going to have an even harder go.   They're starting to do the foolish practice of throwing money at a bad idea. In the end, they may hold their own, and make the 99'ers suck ****, but there will be some bad blood generated.     For myself, I leave for one of the premier rainbow rivers in the US next week, the San Juan. I'll spend my time doing some pretty difficult technical fishing for 20" plus bows with flies from 22 thru 28. I'll be camping for 9 bucks a night and eating off my backpacking stove. There's not much for fancy lodging nearby, anyway. The SJ seems to attract real fisherman that don't need to resort to snagging to have a successful trip. I'm also taking a rim to rim backpacking trip in the Grand Canyon , but that ain't fishin'.It's a very sad state of affairs when people think snagging sharks in the SR is a badge of honor and a sign of angling skill. It's worth it to us that don't travel that far and  spend a lot of money on it for some laughs and fun, but pretty ludicrous to consider it on par with Atlantic Salmon fishing, or many, many other fisheries  across the economic spectrum that require real skills.   That's enough from me for the next 6 or 7 months.Hope everyone has a productive spring and summer.      

That's good one right there, well said. Enjoy your trip.