Trolling streamers and other flies

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2014/02/21 09:18:41 (permalink)

Trolling streamers and other flies

Has anyone had much success trolling streamers?  I have read of some good things.  Mostly seems to be something they do in lakes out West.  Also in the Great Lakes for lake trout and salmon, but not your standard streamers. 
 
I only seem to reach for any of my fly rods 2-3 times per year.  Mostly since most of my fishing comes from my boat, in the dark or with kids.  Too many things to catch on back casts, most of the time.  I've always had good success when fly fishing, and I am far from being proficient with it.  There are definitely times that a fish favors a bite size Clouser minnow or bugger over a live minnow in my own experience.  The guys on here that only reach for a fly rod, seem to prove that just about any fish can be caught with the fly rod.  Some fish, with more consistency than spinning/casting lures.  I've been getting some mixed results using streamers as teasers fishing with larger plugs.  Although, I don't do this too often.  This year, I plan to troll with many of my larger streamers and some that I have recently tied up (Congo hair shad patterns & Cheech low fat minnows).  I also plan to tie some California striper "white flies" and use the fly boxes full of clousers, deceivers and buggers from my pre-kids, fly fishing days.
 
Any recommendations on setups, other flies, or other pointers?  I primarily fish Arthur, but venture to Pymie and the rivers.  I also plan to hit the Yough and some of the smaller trout lakes in the area, being closer and have a smaller boat now too.  Hopefully be able to get my Dad and son out more if hitting places like Cannonsburg (which I have already vowed never to return to)...  Maybe do Dutch Fork, Virgin Run or Racoon instead.
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    freshwaterdrumR
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/21 09:34:29 (permalink)
    I would look for something that will give the streamer a little more action if trolling.  When fly fishing streamers are usually stripped, so the bait starts and stops continuously and will trigger bites.  On the great lakes something like a streamer would be trolled behind a flasher/dodger to give it swimming action.  I would look for something you can add to the line that will give it some action, I bet it would be hot. 
    In the ocean they use a few ounce weight with a streamer behind it trolled to target blues inshore, using a weight like this and constantly adjusting your speed, or doing 'S' turns would give it plenty of vertical movement and probably trigger some strikes.
    Let us know how you do!
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/21 10:09:49 (permalink)
    I was thinking the same thing on the stop and start on the streamers, giving it that natural darting and pausing action that a lot of fish do.  Probably impossible to replicate while trolling.
     
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/21 10:46:59 (permalink)
    Porktown
    I was thinking the same thing on the stop and start on the streamers, giving it that natural darting and pausing action that a lot of fish do.  Probably impossible to replicate while trolling.
     


    You can't do this with all of the rods, obviously... but something I do a lot while trolling is grab a line between the reel and first eye and pull out on in, then let it back slowly and repeat.  Though you are trolling at a rather steady speed you will cause the bait to speed up and drop back quite a bit by just pulling a couple of feet worth of line. 
     I will often do this with our 'back lines' and it does trigger strikes from followers.  Speeding up and then cutting the throttle for 5 seconds to idle will do it also, but that can cause a drop in where you are at in the water column quite a bit... no big deal on Erie in 70 FOW, but can cause snags when in a shallower lake or river situation (or if trolling over weed beds)
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/21 14:19:59 (permalink)
    I've been on tuna/marlin charters where they use that technique with good results.  I've never thought to do that in freshwater, but it makes perfect sense.  I've jigged rods while trolling and often draws a bite.  Much easier to pull the line while the rod is in a holder.
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/21 23:58:48 (permalink)
    I grew up in Seattle so I have done a lot of trolling with the fly rod mainly using anything with a marabou tail like buggers egg sucking leeches and fresh water shrimp patterns just using sinking line basically 60 yrds back long lining is the best. Slow speeds
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/22 10:14:39 (permalink)
    i believe they do a lot of this in N.E. for trout ,n, l.l. salmom. use a ROWBOAT, CANOE, OR YAK, muscle power, each stroke pulses, flares, speeds up ,n, slows the streamer, just like a live minnow, crayfish ,or whatever.
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/24 10:13:55 (permalink)
    You would need a heavy full sink line.
     
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/24 20:14:06 (permalink)
    How about a wigglefin Action disc in front of it?
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/25 06:36:27 (permalink)
    I'm going to try the same thing too at LA this year on the wipers. I think pulling the line between the reel and first eyelet will be fine. It's the same concept of pulling the rod while trolling, and that causes strikes. Only thing I can think of will be getting the fly too deep. I caught them wading, but I also had more control.

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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/02/25 08:34:10 (permalink)
    I was thinking to use conventional/spinning gear as opposed to fly rods for trolling.  Although, the fly rod would be a nice way to spread out, but not looking to invest in full sink line for this only.  I have sink tip, but it's moderate, and likely only get me down 2-3' at trolling speed.  I fully plan to use the fly rod when I know they are feeding at the surface though.  I think the shad pattern that I have will stay pretty close to the surface if no weight added. 
     
    I was thinking clip on trolling weights or regular bottom bouncers, depending on how deep I am marking them.  Although, I don't think the jigging/pulling line will do much with this set up.  I think it would work much better with inline weights.  If suspending, then likely inline weights, and play with the sizes.  I also have down riggers, but I end up dragging the ball on humps.  Kind of a pain in the butt to run at Arthur. 
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/03/10 21:19:49 (permalink)
    what about those sculpin skulls?
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    Re: Trolling streamers and other flies 2014/03/12 09:57:50 (permalink)
    wirenut45
    i believe they do a lot of this in N.E. for trout ,n, l.l. salmom. use a ROWBOAT, CANOE, OR YAK, muscle power, each stroke pulses, flares, speeds up ,n, slows the streamer, just like a live minnow, crayfish ,or whatever.


    I've never done it that way, but I've read a lot of older fishing stories that had the main character fishing that way. It supposedly was a deadly meathod, and the beauty of it was its simplicity. No motors or big boats to worry about, just the quiet paddle both moving the boat or canoe, and manipulating the trailed fly in just the right way to attract fish. At least thats how it sounded in the stories.
    Now has anybody heard of a deadly type of fly called a wet fly?
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