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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 19:18:53 (permalink)
If he does come back, I agree with your anti-troll  remedy,  2B. Wise advice.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 19:29:14 (permalink)
I will never go away....I will out post all of you here.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 19:45:24 (permalink)
I don't know the definition of troll..I bring informative posts to this board....
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/07 22:44:33 (permalink)
CHARTIST,have you ever read the book on "how to make friends and influence people"?
Now I follow 2b's lead and you are on ignore.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/08 04:19:30 (permalink)
Here's the shot of it wet I said I'd post.
Sorry no slime on it.
Somehow I managed to fuc up all three grabs .
Forgot the quarter but yall know how ling it is from the dry pics.
In the water its even bigger with each of those ostrich hurl feathers waving around as they do.

 Oh ya by the way that is a #2 owner octopus hook for size reference  
 
post edited by twobob - 2013/12/08 04:21:42
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/08 09:47:47 (permalink)
I bet that has lots of the  breath of life  in it.  I use the ostrich herl in the tail of a helgramite fly and a saltwater baitfish that's all white with some flash. They worked fine.  I like rabbit for its movement, but not the easiest to cast, as you know.  I may have to whip a few of  yours up for next year, though they'd probably trip the trigger of some dropbacks, too. Thanks for sharing that. 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/08 12:02:43 (permalink)
There was a post on the Erie board looking for a caption for a pic of Chartist casting a spey rod in a speedo (someone's creative photoshopping).  He took a lot of ribbing from a wide variety of Erie boarders.  It is not up anymore, so I assume someone had some cheese and decided it was also time for some whine! 
 
I'll comment that someone who would be willing to pay 3 x's the going rate to go to Douglaston, but would not buy the NYS non resident license, as he posted when first on this board qualifies as a troll, whether he is using estaz sponge flies or not.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/08 12:47:13 (permalink)
I saw that photoshop and thought it was pretty darn funny, which I mentioned on that board...Not sure what happened to the photo as I didn't complain.  I will buy a NYS one year license next October 1.  I went to the SR much more than I thought this year and fished the public sections.  I always had a NYS license when fishing public sections cuz I know the fish police are out there and active.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/08 15:33:06 (permalink)
 
Fichy for years a secret weapon for bouncers was either a white floating jig head with a bubblegum 3 inch twister tail or a bubblegum floating jig head with a 3 inch white twister tail.
The "Good and Plenty" fly fills that niche when fly flicking.
Ya the ostrich unlike marabou doesn't mat together but keeps its individuality
Mucho action like the grass skirt on a hot hula dancer.
 
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/10 12:10:31 (permalink)
Finally got a pic of it with fish slime attached
Solid 10 pound rustbow.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/10 12:35:50 (permalink)
2bob,since there's no snow or ice on that picture I guess that was a past day?
I remember those days using the floating jig heads with various color combo's,it's a deadly lure and I still have a bunch.That brings back memories of good times with a couple friends that are no longer with us,the good die young.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/10 12:46:18 (permalink)
Where 2bob is using that fly now there is no snow or ice. Maybe tomorrow, but right now we're in a lull.  I still like floating jigs and twisters for Winter on the Genesee, but the Chrome straighten the hooks on the commercial floating jig heads, so I slide a small cherry bobber up the line, tie on an Octupus  or a gold Wright and McGill (I like 4's for this), and then hook the tail on. I pull the bobber back down over the hook eye, and I've got a floating jig head with a heavy shank  The W+M can be gotten with a bait holder shank that helps keep the tail on longer.  A lot less messy than eggs or skein in the deepfreeze time, and nearly or sometimes more effective.  Of course, if it is warmer out, I'll be using a flyswatter, but I don't go for cleaning guides every 2 or 3 drifts.  All moot until after Christmas now!
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/10 14:57:08 (permalink)
PA Lucky is right about that.
Afew small patches of ice in the shade and a smattering of flurries was all I  saw today.
Had to go food shopping for the makings of stew since my son is coming over tonite and my stew is a favorite.
Stopped to fish and second drift got a solid grab .
Landed it, fished for 15 minutes and then went to the grocery store.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/10 17:27:42 (permalink)
2bob,that's real nice to be able to play with Steel on the way to grocery shop,I'm jealous.
Lucky that home made floating jig head sounds like a good thing to me.I might try that.I don't remember too many problems with hooks straightening but it's been awhile.Remember one time at Oswego hooking into a bunch of Kings with the jig head and they did bend the hook.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/12 07:45:53 (permalink)
Always a good idea to snell the hook to the shank for best pull with the cherry bobber pulled down over the eye.  Best if premade bobber, hook and leader.   A lot quicker to change out in the sub freezing temps as well.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 14:17:33 (permalink)
I lost 4 fish and the post I just wrote describing the events surrounding
 
In the end it all came down to sharp pain in my elbow (tendonitis is back)
every time I set the hook and it seemed like I was more timid with each hookset since the fish came off each time after a shorter time.
This is a beech

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 14:46:48 (permalink)
Two, I got it bad a few years back from chopping many cords of wood. It got so bad I bought a Spey rod so I could still fly fish. Luckily my son, who's wood I was chopping , bought a wood splitter. Hence the Spey went away. Will say , a 2 handed rod helped..
Hope yours chills out.
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Maybe Clint can comment . I was told it is related to the wrist.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 15:43:29 (permalink)
Bummer man...
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 16:46:02 (permalink)
I know that pain, I had tendonitis and bursitis in elbow and shoulder.  Anti-inflammatory drugs and rest.  I remember taking both butazolidin and prednisone but a long rest was needed for the pain to subside.  A recent flair up in the shoulder was treat with a shot of cortisone.  Good luck.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 17:02:15 (permalink)
This has been off and on going for over a decade.
Since I added fly fishing for carp all summer to top off the steel -salmon abuse
EDIT-(The female dog) **** is I live on anti- inflammatories already 
The spray pole doesn't work in an elevator shaft.
As it is I have maybe 3 feet of flyline out of the tip top.
Rest is the only real help and I can't see my self not fishing thru April at least a time or 2 each week.
More ibuprofrin and hydro and pray I don't get any bites seems by plan of action.
Just squeezing the cork brings it on.
For a guy as lucky as I am it sucks to be me sometimes.
OK PITTY PARTY ENDS NOW.
 
 
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 17:08:45 (permalink)
How about a bucket of ice and a bottle of Jack Daniels?  Repeat if needed.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 19:17:38 (permalink)
With your palms forward is the pain on the outside ????   The brace you have is an effective one it works by relieving stress on the tendon.  The reason wrist motion often hurts it up there is that the muscle that is involved inserts down at the wrist.   Ice the area, stay on the NSAIDS, possible cortisone shots.
Strengthening the muscles can help.  Here are the ones I would give
     Forearm extensor stretch. Raise your affected arm out in front of you 90 degrees, in line with your shoulder.  Turn your hand so that your thumb is pointing down towards the floor.  Bend your wrist, and with your unaffected hand, grab your fingers and bend them back towards you to increase the stretch in your forearm.  Hold for 15 seconds and repeat for 10-15 repetitions, 3 times a day.
 
You can also try a prayer stretch wherein you position your hands and arms as if you are praying, keeping your hands together while moving your hands up and down in front of your body.
 
 
Strength training. This can help heal your arms and prevent further injury. Place your arm on a bench and use a light weight(full water bottle works well). Curl your wrist and bring it towards you. Do this 10 to 15 times every day. Do more sets as the pain subsides.
 
 
Flexibility exercises. Put your arm on the table with the palm up. Make the fingers touch each other for about 10 to 20 seconds. You may also do another exercise with your hands forming a fist. Twist your wrist slowly and stretch it hard. You can also try the palm flipping exercise on a table and do it 20 times.
Squeezing techniques can be very helpful.  For this you will need something similar to a stress or tennis ball which you can squeeze.  Simply squeeze and hold for 3 seconds and then release.  Do this 10 times in a row every day. This squeezing technique will help to strengthen your injured
 
Avoid activities  stress that muscle like swinging a hammer.

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/24 22:20:29 (permalink)
Thanks Clint.
As I said this has been an off and on struggle for a decade.
I do those exercises when the pain occurs but when I am not over stressing it and the pain stops I get lazy and stop.
Til next time.
Yes ice, NSAIDS,exercise and rest.
Well 3 outta 4 ain't bad.
I'll stop whining now, I promise.
 
 
I lost those fish because I suck and my hooks were too small.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 09:20:34 (permalink)
That's not good!  I've got all sorts of pains, but nothing real major yet. It's the reason I got the new switch. My wrists and right elbow  are starting to be problematical.  Another chaser of carp, eh? At least they don't require repetitive casting and I generally use a 6 wt. or less.  They do require
a whole lot of strain to land.  And in your case, the quick reaction hook set has to be painful. Geez, we'll have to share some tricks. I've been chasing them a long time. I started with doughballs when I was pre-kindergarden, but have sight fished them with flies off and on  since I was a teen. The past 15 years- ON.   I have to be very quiet about my  carp haunts now, I mistakenly told one friend about a favorite flat, and now it gets flailed by guides and wannabees. HT has some good water  near him, too. Oh yeah, he lives on the Delaware I have fished for them around the country and have landed some in 10 different states.   Yeah,  not using  1/0's  must have contributed to the problem, no doubt . That and lack of experience.  Oh yeah, and your too short.
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 11:03:04 (permalink)
Carp can be tough sobs.
Had a place near some wheat silos that when the trucks rolled in wheel barrels full worth of grain heads would miss the chute.
They'r sweep them up and dump them in the water.
Hundreds of carp would chase the grain as it floated with the current taking it off the surface.
They would tip up almost on their backs and inhale it from an inch under the surface.
I had them suck the fly under but reject it before it got to their mouthy when it caused drag on the tippet.
A perfect drag free drift was required with enough slack left at the end to negate that.
 
Local TU took a survey years ago asking what people did when it got to warm to fish trout and when I wrote carp fish they made fun poof me in the newsletter.
5 years later the had to all but take a ticket and stand in line to carp fish.
I've caught some in LO that you could literally put your fist in their mouth.
Took more line than any king I have ever hooked.
 
Merry Christmas to you 
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 11:24:27 (permalink)
I have a friend who is a SERIOUS carp fisher.. He has landed some well over 50lbs, locally as well as on the Ct river .. Maybe I'll post up some of his catches.. I'm sure Charlie would be quizzing me though if I did..lol 
He kinda got me interested in them again but really I just go out back and fish them for chits and giggles..

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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 11:24:49 (permalink)
I was scouting a small trib in early may a bunch of years back and saw a carp in there that had to of been twenty pounds. At first I thought it was a monster steelie. Saw a few steelies the carp and a small mouth that day. What an awesome fishery.

I usually always tried to avoid carp while targetting other species. A pond I grew up near used to have monsters that wed catch on corn under bobbers in the fall. I can see how tar getting them with a fly can be fun. I've heard berries attract them. I suppose a glo bug would work well in different colors. Maybe even white.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 12:23:18 (permalink)
hen L13 was an Orvis shop rat there was a mulberry bush that overhung some carp water.
Purple deer hair flies were nice to have if you were going to "try a rod out"
 
My top water was spun hair to look like whrat heads or later white CDC feather with a brown deer hair sot to imitate cotton wood fluff.
 
O cheese or white glo bugs were a sure thing for the bottom feeders in the wheat dump zone.
Mostly 8-12 pounders with a few reaching past 20.
 
The big boys in LO were at night fishing alwive or smelt streamers for salmonids.
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 12:24:03 (permalink)
2B-
 
It is a royal Pain to get used to, but you could try becoming a southpaw.
 
I work at it when I get fatigued, kind of like counting steps in case you go blind!
 
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Re: Why would you need # 1/0 hooks 2013/12/25 12:33:47 (permalink)
Ya L I lost one to a weenie set lefty the other day.
I just doubt myself fishing that way.
Also in that back eddy it pays to set upstream and down current and lefty I just react against the pull.
I do it a lot at the SR but have more line out that lets me deley the hook set while it draws the hook into the mandible.
In the elavater it is so close up I just don't get a good feel for what's going on lefty.
 
Oh by the way  you should go as soon as you can.
All my takes were on red- orange ostrich flies with a bunch of copper flashabou.
Maybe 18 inches of vis that day much more now I bet.
And that was part of my problem.
The takes were so hard it hurt before I did the hook set.
Kind of timid.
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