Clint S
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Black Friday
About 14 degrees at 5 AM, but gave it a shot. Met Charlie and we walked in a 6. A foot of snow in front of the gate. I will spot burn because the place we went will close after tomorrow. There were only 2 others there and we got a spot in the gut of the pool. Fishing was in spurts but hook ups were fairly plentiful, but landings were not. Lost several at shore , the hook would pop after a long fight. Lost several to the 4 lb tippet I was using too. Charlie and I both got one to the net. My camera is broke so maybe he will post some pics. Hot flies for me were Rhyacophila caddis of several variations. Egg patterns in blue and peach mostly in the babine style, nothing special the 2 eggs just separated by some red thread. Of course the steelhead hammer in pink did well too and got the fish to the net. There was a mixture of fresher and darker fish throughout the day It was cold enough to have to clean the eyes often and my feet got a bit cold, bit not frigid. Highlight of the day was when a guy was fishing across from us and a guy came out of the woods and started yelling at him for walking on his land to get there, told him he called the police and they would be waiting for him andhe stormed off. The fisherman left 5 minutes later and was gone for a while and then came back. He said the guy met him at his property line and then proceeded to call the DEC. He parked in the LFZ lot and had walked up and the DEC officer could tell by his tracks that he made a "reasonable effort" (officers words) to stay within the easement. The officer then asked if he would like to file a Sportsman harassment complaint against the guy, turns out he was not the land owner but a "caretaker" also said he was a guide and this was not the first time he has called and caused trouble and they were sick of it . The officer wrote the a hole a ticket and was nice enough to set the court date to a time where the fisherman could come.
The pool fished well until a speytard set up down from us in the middle of the run frothed up the water and pushed all the moving fish to the other bank. Then the folks across from hooked up alot. We left and fished mid river for a while, alot of water looked good , but did not produce. It also seemed the water was warmer mid river too as my feet were not as cold and the guides took alot longer to freeze up. Supposed to be close to 0 tonight so good luck to Charlie tomorrow AM, I will be sitting this one out. May or may not go Sunday. I have another week of work and then another week off so will get a few more days in then before ice hits
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/29 20:16:39
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Great report Clint and sounds like some things remain the same at brown town this time of year, where did they go though ? The speytard was I bet , the same net the dead fish guide some of have seen in action in the past. He was there with a client doing the same while I was there. They caught none, I was on the north side and moved up higher and did well. Ah well, gotta expect tards on that river . I love the DEC story. Super nice to know that we are in the right as anglers and DEC respects our rights to easement and not be harassed . I try to stay as close to the bank as possible now and do not follow the herd path anymore. Years ago it was just an open field I guess some things change.
I heard and got some good reports that many lakes are safe to walk on ice. Stuck at JOB until weds and a last blast if the woods. Dec-10 is my ice weekend adventure but I may walk out sooner from the graveyard shift.
Charlie have fun and catch a bunch
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Clint S
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/29 20:35:01
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HT through where?? If you mean the fisherman he stayed close to the bank (in his words) all the way from the LFZ. He also said that the officer said as long as the he made a "reasonable effort" to stay close to the bank he was OK. The tard was just a guy I think, he asked if he could "squeeze in" above me and I just looked at him and said "where" as there may have been enough room for a friend to squeeze in, but not a stranger. Charlie and I heard him and another tard saying something about rotating in from above us. Does not look good for ice around here for a while as there will be a warm up next week. Next vaca starts on the 9th. Still waiting for that Killzone to get back in stock too. I did get an old Clam shanty with a fold up suitcase type base for free and it will work with just a little duct tape for a few holes in the tarp. It is big and heavy though. Possibly looking at the Marcum vx Pro 1 flasher too. I have a few credit card reward points to turn in for gift cards .............
post edited by Clint S - 2013/11/29 20:41:19
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/29 21:47:23
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I was just wondering where the browns have went.. Since the 2010 flood they sure ain't going up there anymore.. I think the change in LFZ had some effect too.. Both happened the same year.. Ah well at least the steel still wander.. Rotate, geesh.. If I beat the water to death in front of me without luck Id always want to fish where the other guy is.. What ever... I think Killzone is not going to do that ice shanty again.. There are some other hub shanties out there that compare in price.. My only hang up with the pop up is mobil.. Once they are up you are pretty much base camped.. But they are great base camps... Things are getting very solid around here and my friend was on 4 " very near where Charlie lives , Washington county.. The ADK's even better and it's going sub ZERO tomorrow night with no above 32 day temps for next 10 days.. I bet there will be 6+" by dec-10th when I can get out.. Keep feb on your radar.. Bring the family for a weekend on Lake George and I'm sure you'll have a blast.. We got shanties and electronics to go around .. My bro-in-law just bought a black friday special vex-20.. He already has a hummingbird .. Anyone that wants to walk on ice with me will be just fine ...
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/30 14:55:10
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I really like the idea of the closure. Leaving those fish alone to winter over is probably a big reason they stay so healthy. NY has it so right with the size and creel limits. Taking it a step further on the SR with the Flyzones makes it an even better situation. JMHO, jus say'IN.. As far as other guys, some dont know that they dont know. With ALL that water, there's no reason anyone should be closer than 10-15yards to one another. Spredd AWT! We gottem in some fast water, some slower pools, just about anywhere we applied the right techniques. Do a little work instead of squeeze'in, ya might be pleasantly surprised and rewarded... 'Course I'm preachin ta tha Choir.......
post edited by pensfan1 - 2013/11/30 16:01:20
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/30 17:47:33
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I'll put up some pics, Clint. It was a pleasure, bud. Had a couple heartbreakers, today. Cold, but absolutely fine. Fishing was a blast. Doesn't mean I won't be looking to cadge a vex, and a shanty, though. Gotta be about safe up north on the smaller ponds now, HT. That puddle below the museum was SOLID this afternoon, Clint.
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/30 19:12:05
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Clint, why use 4lb tippet for steelhead, was that all you had handy? I use 10lb - 12lb for steelhead....4lb just seems so light.
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Clint S
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Re: Black Friday
2013/11/30 21:00:10
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A few reasons Jim 1) Thinner line gets down faster 2) Thinner line has less resistance when drifting 3) It works better to turn over smaller flies. Size 8 is the biggest fly in my box, many 12 and 14's 4) I started with 6lb got fewer hits switched to 4lb started getting hits. 5) I use Drennan so 4lb is more like 6lb. I lost 2 or 3 fish to either breaking the tippet or knot at the hook and in at least one case I should have changed it out due to it getting beat up by a fish prior. In winter I usually only go as high as 6lb Drennan in most conditions, in high fast water I may go to 8, but rarely. I like to fish lite as I feel I get more hits and I get a better drift. I only get to 10lb for salmon and I very rarely break a line or tippet on them
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/02 06:57:04
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Clint, you are too kind!' 4 lb just does not work with size 1/0 sponge flies! L13
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/03 07:38:39
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i was in the area so i headed to erie on black friday elk was frozen with the exception of about 35 yards, hooked 6 landed 2 (its like they knew they could break off under the ice went to 16 mile and it was a pizz trickle got 4 there went home and got ready for deer season hope you all had a great turkey day
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/04 06:58:06
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Well Lucky, I am busy here tying a couple hundred 1/0 for next year's run....Gotta break in the new vise right.....It's 8s and 10s for steelies....Still looking to do a float trip the Friday after xmas on the SR. As soon as my buddy gives me the green light, I'll look to hire a guide up there.
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/04 13:38:52
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Highlight of the day was when a guy was fishing across from us and a guy came out of the woods and started yelling at him for walking on his land to get there, told him he called the police and they would be waiting for him andhe stormed off. The fisherman left 5 minutes later and was gone for a while and then came back. He said the guy met him at his property line and then proceeded to call the DEC. He parked in the LFZ lot and had walked up and the DEC officer could tell by his tracks that he made a "reasonable effort" (officers words) to stay within the easement. The officer then asked if he would like to file a Sportsman harassment complaint against the guy, turns out he was not the land owner but a "caretaker" also said he was a guide and this was not the first time he has called and caused trouble and they were sick of it . The officer wrote the a hole a ticket and was nice enough to set the court date to a time where the fisherman could come.
This is my first post. I am have to hear to read your posts and advise and I would like to thank all of you for the great comments and help!! I decided to join because of this post from Clint S. I have been harassed by either this guy or someone else there a lot. awesome to see the fisherman/guild fight back. Also I use that easement often. again thanks to all of you who post it is awesome to hear about the river when you can't get here.
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/04 16:11:29
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rdace12 welcome aboard to the group,great people and serious anglers here. I also used that easement but did n't run into any problems.
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/04 16:58:45
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Well I'm well outside of pafisher's description, but welcome anyway. I must have been fishing just below you. The guy that got hassled was lining fish with pegged beads. He came down and fished in front of me, casting in the same drift. He had an indicator set at about 14' and just fed line letting the bare hook do its thing. He also kept a fish out of the water taking about a dozen staged pics for at least 3-4 minutes, let alone he had hell landing it- took forever- with that long a leader. The caretaker dude was way in the wrong, but maybe he knew the azzhole with the beads. I gave him grief and he got pizzed and went back up river. He deserved some tickets, too. At least the fish up there will get a rest. If you're gonna rope fish ROPE 'EM and don't play games that it's C and R. I hate wasted fish, it's wasted money. The only part of that walk up the north side that's sketchy, is after you come off the rock dike and go left into the field. The field edge is a little beyond the easement. The woods along the river are filled with old barb wire and the trail has been abandoned, so if you stay right on the edge, you should be considered legal.
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Re: Black Friday
2013/12/04 18:01:45
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I've used that easement as well, this year in fact. I saw the guy cutting weeds with a mower for campers....He didn't say anything to me, maybe he was too busy or just didn't see me.
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