Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River

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2013/11/19 04:03:45 (permalink)

Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River

Hello!  I am a newbie to the middle Allegheny River but just bought a place near Tidioute.  I am looking to buy a fishing boat  to fish (all seasons, all species) the Allegheny from the dam to Tionesta.  Any advice from the "pros", "semi-pros" and highly ranked "amateurs"  would be greatly appreciated!!!  I am not looking to impress anyone.  Just looking for a functional fishing boat that can take me where the fish are and interesting places to visit on the middle Allegheny River.  I can afford to spend +/-$7,000-$15,000 (obviously used price)
Aluminum?
Flat bottom or modified V?
Overboard: Prop or Jet? (interested in functionality over speed)
40 HP or 60 HP
16 or 18 foot (two overweight fisherman, child and their lunches)?
Trolling motor size?
 
Thanks in advance!!!
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    russ1740
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/19 10:59:02 (permalink)
    Thanks Walcat!!!
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/19 15:01:51 (permalink)
    anything up there flat bottom and jet. its very shallow in spots and also big boulders under the water. go easy ur first couple times.
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/20 02:29:08 (permalink)
    grazie lupo!
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/20 11:18:49 (permalink)
    What they said, but, if you find a deal on a bigger boat and motor, go for that.  18' with 90 hp jet (or larger) will do just fine.  24v 55#+ thrust trolling motor/good batteries up front and a good rock anchor will help ya out too.
    Can "almost" never go wrong with a little bigger boat.  
     
    I know a 16' Lowe roughneck can get a little tight on space with any more than 2 people/gear on it.  
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    russ1740
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/20 14:55:12 (permalink)
    Thanks Eyes!
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/20 21:01:25 (permalink)
    Not much experience with jets,ran a 30 horse Yamaha on a 18' skiff in Alaska in sept.Took some getting used to over a prop,but it didn't take long to see why that's all they run up north.Those flat bottom skiffs with Yamaha 30's, 3-5 hunters and gear 15 gallons of fuel were pushing us 20 -25 mph
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/21 10:19:54 (permalink)
    Do a search on the SW board on jet props or boating the Yough (river).  I know guys use those same set ups there too.  There was a guy on here, something like Xtremeshallow or something like that.  He posted a video of his rig that he uses on the Yough.  Wicked fast & very cool fishing rig.  I'm guessing pretty penny for it too.  Search the NW boards on the same thing too, since that seems to be the standard in those parts too (upper right of the forums is the search).
     
    My only experience on the type of river you are on, is from smaller boats or shore.  I'd recommend a boat that you can stand up and move around on.  Something like a bass boat, that is stable enough to move around.  I have a smaller aluminum V, that you can stand only if you are extremely careful, but not really recommended.  If someone else is in the boat, you need to let them know not to move...  I also have a larger more stable boat (17' - sits way too deep for your application), but could jump up and down on the gunnels and likely not tip the boat.  I stand and fish from it more than sit, which is a lot more comfortable, especially if you are using a lot.
     
    Sounds like a fun property.  Congrats.
    post edited by Porktown - 2013/11/21 10:29:07
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/27 11:42:09 (permalink)
    Russ,
    Have you tried Wiegel brothers in Franklin yet?  http://wiegelbrothersmarine.com/site_page_734/
    They are very experienced with jet rigs, which is no doubt the way to go for the Allegheny.  Not saying you can't fish it with a prop but it's like comparing a smartphone with a rotary dial.  The biggest factor I'm looking at is you said 2 overweight fisherman and a child.  Add in your tackle, batteries, and other gear and you've got a full load.  My suggestion would be no smaller than 17'-18' with a 90/65hp outboard. Remember that you lose horsepower when converting to a jet.  A 60/40 hp jet (which is what I have on a 16ft boat) with a heavy load will take forever to get on plane and will make it harder to run the skinny water areas.  Don't skimp on the TM either...try to get a 24V system with at least 70lbs thrust.  I skimped here when I boat my rig and ended up buying a new one 2 years later.  You're price range will put you in the used category for a setup like that so you'll just have to keep an eye out.  I would check craigslist for Pittsburgh and points north, also in the Harrisburg area and anywhere close to the Susquehanna river cause there's a lot of jets out there.  Hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to email me at h20wolf@hotmail.com.
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/11/27 11:49:12 (permalink)
    Just did a quick check on Craigslist and there were maybe 2 on Pittsburgh but looked under powered.  There were a bunch under Harrisburg though.  Maybe if you found 2 or 3 that you liked and worked a good price with the sellers it would be worth the drive to find a good deal on a nice jet rig.  Good Luck
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/12/02 08:37:10 (permalink)
    Thanks Wolf
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/12/10 09:45:19 (permalink)
    I'll echo what H20Wolf said and add my knowledge/experience.
     
    I currently own a 16' Tracker Grizzly and a 40/30 Johnson tiller jet. The reason I have this current set-up is because I can take the jet off and put my 20hp tiller prop motor on the Grizzly for the limited hp lakes. If I did not have that need and only fished the river, along with unlimited hp lakes, I'd have something at least 17' and minimum of a 90/60 jet.
    My current river boat is my third. My first was a Lowe 1652VPT with a 50/35 jet. Second was a Lowe 1862VPT with 115/80 jet and I loved that boat and to this day regret selling it. I also currently own a glass bass boat. My current boats revolve around me fishing bass tournaments and my needs for those, along with some recreational fishing.
     
    I know the Tidioute area well and have basically fished from the Kinzua dam all the way to East Brady so I've seen just about every inch of the shallow portion of the Allegheny.
    I've also been on Tionesta and Kinzua lakes. If I were in your shoes, I'd be looking for something in the 17-18' range with jet drive, and a minimum of 60 hp AT THE JET, and of course that depends on boat size. Please take my advice and go as big as you can possibly afford, both with the boat and motor. You'll always be looking for more space and power.
    A popular trend right now are the inboard jets, seeing many more every year, and those run about dirt shallow. The downside to the inboard jet boats is price, they are usually significantly more that outboard boats. Having more power with a jet is significant for a couple reasons, you'll get on plane much quicker (especially important in shallow water), and be able to stay on plane even if you back off the throttle a little (especially important because jets are gas hogs!). Bigger and especially wider boats draft less so you'll be able to drift through shallower water when fishing, plus they draft shallower when on plane, allowing you to run through shallower areas and believe me, there is some really skinny water in the Tidioute area.
     
    Trolling motor........go at least 24 volt and 70 lb thrust like Wolf said. Mine is 24V and 74 lb. It will allow you to hold in the river current if necessary and also have enough power to navigate you quickly when floating with the current. That's important because as you drift you'll encounter shallow areas and rocks that you'll try to avoid. I hate the "power drive" style TM's and prefer cable style. The PD motors rotate way too slow. With a cable style you'll get to learn by foot feel what postion the head is facing and can make immediate corrections without even looking at the head of the motor.
     
    Like already mentioned, Wiegels Brothers in Franklin is a good place to deal with, they deal almost exclusively in jet boats and they know their stuff. Also, the Harrisburg area Craigslist often has jets. Watch in the Tidoute area, there are often boats for sale along the roads up that way. If you do get a jet, or prior to, befriend someone who has experience with a jet on the river. They can cut the learning curve on how to navigate the river and what to look for when navigating. You'll have to learn how to "read the water" which is all important if you want to keep the boat and motor in one piece.
     
    Feel free to ask if I have raised any questions and I get to Tidoiute quite a bit to fish in the summer months. My Tracker Grizzly is camo and the outboard is Johnson gray. Feel free to stop me if you see me!

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    russ1740
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    Re: Advice on boat selection: Middle Allegheny River 2013/12/10 09:56:46 (permalink)
    What can say except THANKS!!! Y'all gave me more valuable advice than I ever hoped for.
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