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And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
Its mid November and have read and heard over 50x now there are less fish this year then previous or just lack of fish altogether. Same redundant complaint year in and year out. You want more fish around stop roping every caught fish in Sept/Oct or get your lazy butt away from the usual honey holes that have been hammered and take a walk. Was up near head waters of a large creek and found pink and silver fish 15-20 miles from the lake and low and behold not a single sole to be found. In a single night these fish have been tagged from the mouth to run to 79 hole on elk.
This time of year fish are either dispersed to upper stretches until a fresh run comes in or in people's bellies and freezers. Not saying just saying.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 11:14:20
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I herd someone saying about less fish and I just said to myself, "Man I guess people have been OBLIVIOUS to the weather" there hasn't been much water in the creeks to allow new runs in and throughout." Made a day trip yesterday and managed 3 healthy fresh fish at the mouth of Elk and released them, this time last year there was nearly double the amount of water in both Elk and Walnut and the weather was more or less "Average" for Erie then this year with the slight lack of rain. But I do agree with the people who complain about "no fish" compared to previous years when the weather has been way more cooperative and beneficial to the fish to run throughout the full watersheds of the respected creeks. Here's another slight idea and I DON'T CARE who wants to burn me on it or make a snide remark but how about letting some of the Jacks live instead of taking your full limit DAILY for your whole trip or time there or every time you fish, they're kinda like deer you need the males a little more than you do the females, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say the gender split of eggs aren't 50/50... But hey that's just my opinion, I'm no scholar or Biologist or expert it's just my own mindset to let the males go so maybe they could possibly reproduce...
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
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☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2013/11/18 14:25:12
While there may be those that don't like hearing it...there ARE NOT anywhere near the numbers that existed in the past. 2008-2009 season was the last year with healthy numbers of fish. Those with the time and means may find nice pods on occasion. Erie locals can have a string of unproductive days and not have it sting as much as those that drive 3 hours, pay $60 per night, pack their truck in the dark, and have a 3 hour drive home at the end of the last day. I understand that, however that doesn't change the FACT that fewer fish are coming in to the streams. While that FACT may not be as frustrating to some as others, it remains a FACT. The PAFBC has decided that THEIR pensions and health care benefits are more important than supplying those that provide the revenue with the end result of what they are in existence to regulate. They also discussed sending Erie stamp revenue to Philadelphia. That tells me that those suits that wouldn't know a walleye from a brown eye have found political advantage in redistributing the money from its intended purpose. The fish aren't there and the numbers will continue to shrink. Walleye and perch will see to it that Erie permits are purchased and the first day of trout crowd will continue to buy licenses and trout stamps to use one day/year. Lastly, I agree that keeping limit after limit seems a bit odd. I can't imagine someone looking forward to eating steelies.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 13:36:32
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Still plenty of fish.Problem is too many space takers.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 14:46:32
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There is no use arguing with these people. They don't get it.
I was fishing upper elk earlier this week. Using flies and baits that have been successful in the past at this hole. Catching nothing. Why? Because there's no fish, obviously!
No. Was i sitting there thinking 'why o why dont the greedy fish comission stock 2 million instead of just one?' NO!
Well...one of those dirty pinners walks in, proceeds to hook at least 15 fish in one hour. I switch baits, and i start hooking fish too. (btw the dirty pinner shared his bait with me, i guess they ain't so bad after all ;)
Just one example of many out there that shows the fish are still there. For those of you who say there are no fish, you are doing something wrong. Switch your bait, fly, presentation. Adjust your depth, weight, float, no float, etc. But please stop coming on the wuurrld wide web and complaining!
"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." Matthew 4:19
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 14:49:07
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I can see now why some of the "old timers" have left, getting tired of the whining and stupidity on this site. How many times does it take to hear these complaints till ya just explode?
"Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men." Matthew 4:19
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 16:41:50
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☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2013/11/18 14:25:30
The fish are not there in the amounts that they were in the past. Are there some that catch fish, yep, are there as many fish as there were in the past...absolutely not. If you catch fish, congrats, you're wonderful, you are a beacon to whom we all aspire to emulate. Having said that, the fish are not there in the numbers they were in the past....period!
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 16:50:49
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There is no use arguing with these people. They don't get it.
I was fishing upper elk earlier this week. Using flies and baits that have been successful in the past at this hole. Catching nothing. Why? Because there's no fish, obviously!
No. Was i sitting there thinking 'why o why dont the greedy fish comission stock 2 million instead of just one?' NO!
Well...one of those dirty pinners walks in, proceeds to hook at least 15 fish in one hour. I switch baits, and i start hooking fish too. (btw the dirty pinner shared his bait with me, i guess they ain't so bad after all ;)
Just one example of many out there that shows the fish are still there. For those of you who say there are no fish, you are doing something wrong. Switch your bait, fly, presentation. Adjust your depth, weight, float, no float, etc. But please stop coming on the wuurrld wide web and complaining!
see,not all pinners are bad.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 17:33:18
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fisherofmen376
I switch baits, and i start hooking fish too.
Bubblegum worms no doubt
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 20:03:16
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I herd someone saying about less fish and I just said to myself, "Man I guess people have been OBLIVIOUS to the weather" there hasn't been much water in the creeks to allow new runs in and throughout."
???? the gauges haven't bottomed out in the last 5 weeks
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 20:19:45
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Mags00
I herd someone saying about less fish and I just said to myself, "Man I guess people have been OBLIVIOUS to the weather" there hasn't been much water in the creeks to allow new runs in and throughout."
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the gauges haven't bottomed out in the last 5 weeks
No the gauges haven't bottomed out in the the last 2 months or so that is 100% true, but there also hasn't been nearly the amount of run off as there has been in years past, even last year that was unseasonably odd/warm at times. Also nature has it's own weird way in the works here as well if you look at years passed, how long has it been since the lake has actually frozen over? Sure the # stocked may be down from years passed but maybe that's because the population of naturally reproduced fish has obtained the level the biologists and PAFBC was "shooting" for.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 20:32:59
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No the gauges haven't bottomed out in the the last 2 months or so that is 100% true, but there also hasn't been nearly the amount of run off as there has been in years past, even last year that was unseasonably odd/warm at times. Also nature has it's own weird way in the works here as well if you look at years passed, how long has it been since the lake has actually frozen over? Sure the # stocked may be down from years passed but maybe that's because the population of naturally reproduced fish has obtained the level the biologists and PAFBC was "shooting" for.
honestly… i have no clue what you just said there hasn't been a lot of run off this year??? water runs off into the creek and the levels have been good you said there was no water this year… which is false don't bring "nature" into this… because there is nothing natural "nature" never meant for these fish to be here and a statement like ..."maybe that's because the population of naturally reproduced fish has obtained the level the biologists and PAFBC was "shooting" for. "… really makes me scratch my head yes numbers are down… but it is still the state with the highest density of lake run fish in the great lakes Worlds greatest great lake lake freshwater world class stream fall season fishery in the World!
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 20:53:24
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Gentleman this is world class fishing at its best . We need a $25.00 Across the board steelhead stamp and the clubs need to get it done soon .Your not going to get this for free like the other Obama programs. If you want to play you are going to have to pay. Quit ripping on the guides and get your wallets out and be thankful for all you have!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/17 22:56:51
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Learn how to fish.
If you know how to fish, release your fish.
Remember......fish stop at the 79 hole on elk and at the waterfall at the top of the chutes on walnut.
The Lord has blessed us all today... It's just that he has been particularly good to me.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 07:53:33
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f.o.m. 376, i think it a shame the "oldtimers" have left, i mean, this is entertainment. this site alone has all the drama, pathos, and excitement of midget wrestling at its finest. and its free! vince whatsisname should see this. he,d turn green! IMHO. YMMV.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 08:28:48
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While there may be those that don't like hearing it...there ARE NOT anywhere near the numbers that existed in the past. 2008-2009 season was the last year with healthy numbers of fish. Those with the time and means may find nice pods on occasion. Erie locals can have a string of unproductive days and not have it sting as much as those that drive 3 hours, pay $60 per night, pack their truck in the dark, and have a 3 hour drive home at the end of the last day. I understand that, however that doesn't change the FACT that fewer fish are coming in to the streams. While that FACT may not be as frustrating to some as others, it remains a FACT. The PAFBC has decided that THEIR pensions and health care benefits are more important than supplying those that provide the revenue with the end result of what they are in existence to regulate. They also discussed sending Erie stamp revenue to Philadelphia. That tells me that those suits that wouldn't know a walleye from a brown eye have found political advantage in redistributing the money from its intended purpose. The fish aren't there and the numbers will continue to shrink. Walleye and perch will see to it that Erie permits are purchased and the first day of trout crowd will continue to buy licenses and trout stamps to use one day/year. Lastly, I agree that keeping limit after limit seems a bit odd. I can't imagine someone looking forward to eating steelies.
Sounds like your stress and BP level would go way down if you just stopped fishing altogether. Seriously, dUUd, never seen someone so pizzed about making the voluntary decision to go through all of that, and then basically not have to trip over fish. If you aren't catching, it's your fault, not the PFBC's. More fish in the water won't make you a better fisherman. Likewise, more C&R won't make you a better fisherman either. I'll be the first to admit I don't catch many fish in the Erie ditches. I'm not really skilled at the precision subsurface drifting techniques that most of the highly successful anglers use to ring up the big numbers. That being said, though, it doesn't bother me, so I don't come here to whine about it. Even if it did bother me, I wouldn't beech that it was someone else's fault that I wasn't catching the magic number of fish that I expected in my head...I'd spend the next year forcing myself to learn and gain experience with that kind of drifting on water closer to home and on smaller fish. 8 months of micro shot, tandem rigs, indicators, fluoro, and euro nymphing, and I'm sure I'd get more fish the next year (and at that point, I wouldn't consider chalking it up to the PFBC stocking more fish, either). TL;DR: Stop blaming the PFBC for your personal lack of success. If you don't like the results, try something different, namely getting better at what you're doing.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 08:57:58
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If it ain't fun...don't do it and if it is......don't tell everyone else about it 
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 09:53:06
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☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2013/11/18 14:27:19
COLD: Never said I had no success. I SAID THERE ARE LESS FISH IN THE STREAMS THAN IN PREVIOUS YEARS. Perhaps YOUR vitals would benefit from suppressing the urge to infer. Stocking more fish would increase the numbers available, I imagine even you, a PRO ANGLER (based on posting your opinion a number of times I have to infer), would not be able to argue that. There are fewer fish in the streams than in previous years, that is an observable, indisputable, FACT. That is the point. Don't like it being pointed out TS! If I have an issue with a public agency that I fund via tax dollars and license etc... fees, I will make it known. Again, TS if you don't like it! The beautiful thing about FACTS are they don't require approval or even agreement to still be a fact. So, now that you have been educated RE: the main idea of my posts, which is an observable, indisputable FACT feel free to pound salt. Lastly, all of the fishcatchers that insist the numbers aren't down, am I to understand that YOUR complaining about what YOU view as complaining by others is somehow more noble and purposeful since it leaves one to believe that you all catch 'em? Can't wait to hear this justification...my opinions (about a fact) are worthless but your opinions about my opinions are constructive and well thought out! I'll consider that little bit of hypocrisy as my welcome to internet forums!
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 10:19:31
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Must have hit pretty close to the mark, to get you all riled up like that. ;)
That being said, if you're having success and still beeching up a storm, you're no better than a spoiled brat kid.
You don't like what they're doing, feel free to stop supporting them with your license and stamp purchases. I'm sure when they get the registered letter that they lost the mighty StewFc as a licensee, they'll be quick to do whatever it takes to win you back.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 10:32:01
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Worlds greatest great lake lake freshwater world class stream fall season fishery in the World!
The only thing that could be better than this statement, is the following response calling circusheading a World Class fishery and tie in some sort of nonsense political rant. Achieved! 
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 10:32:14
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Fact : There are steelhead in every single migratory tributary of lake Erie. Fact : If you look in the right places you will find them. Fact : That is all you need to know !!! 
The Deetz Fishermen are born honest,but they get over it
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 10:36:54
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World's greatest Great Lake freshwater world class stream fall season fishery in the World where Obama is pushing his socialist agenda!
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 11:28:38
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I herd someone saying about less fish and I just said to myself, "Man I guess people have been OBLIVIOUS to the weather" there hasn't been much water in the creeks to allow new runs in and throughout." Made a day trip yesterday and managed 3 healthy fresh fish at the mouth of Elk and released them, this time last year there was nearly double the amount of water in both Elk and Walnut and the weather was more or less "Average" for Erie then this year with the slight lack of rain. But I do agree with the people who complain about "no fish" compared to previous years when the weather has been way more cooperative and beneficial to the fish to run throughout the full watersheds of the respected creeks. Here's another slight idea and I DON'T CARE who wants to burn me on it or make a snide remark but how about letting some of the Jacks live instead of taking your full limit DAILY for your whole trip or time there or every time you fish, they're kinda like deer you need the males a little more than you do the females, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say the gender split of eggs aren't 50/50... But hey that's just my opinion, I'm no scholar or Biologist or expert it's just my own mindset to let the males go so maybe they could possibly reproduce...
What? We havent had this much water consistantly in the tribs throughout the season since around 2006.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 11:37:21
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its funny how FACT here seems to be pretty subjective 
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 13:19:08
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Creeks have been blown out 1-2 times a week since late September. Not sure how much more one would like. Walnut is flatlining at 60-80. There are years the baseline normal flow was barely in double digits.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 13:23:21
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There is no use arguing with these people. They don't get it.
I was fishing upper elk earlier this week. Using flies and baits that have been successful in the past at this hole. Catching nothing. Why? Because there's no fish, obviously!
No. Was i sitting there thinking 'why o why dont the greedy fish comission stock 2 million instead of just one?' NO!
Well...one of those dirty pinners walks in, proceeds to hook at least 15 fish in one hour. I switch baits, and i start hooking fish too. (btw the dirty pinner shared his bait with me, i guess they ain't so bad after all ;)
Just one example of many out there that shows the fish are still there. For those of you who say there are no fish, you are doing something wrong. Switch your bait, fly, presentation. Adjust your depth, weight, float, no float, etc. But please stop coming on the wuurrld wide web and complaining!
see,not all pinners are bad.
Yes, yes they are.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 13:25:46
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lost sage rod sectio
Gentleman this is world class fishing at its best . We need a $25.00 Across the board steelhead stamp and the clubs need to get it done soon .Your not going to get this for free like the other Obama programs. If you want to play you are going to have to pay. Quit ripping on the guides and get your wallets out and be thankful for all you have!!!!!!!!!!
It's really not. It's a wold class ****show at it's best.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 14:41:27
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deetz4352
Fact : There are steelhead in every single migratory tributary of lake Erie.
Fact : If you look in the right places you will find them.
Fact : That is all you need to know !!!
LyEr
Not many in 12 mile creek, or 7 mile creek. And certainly not even a small percentage of years past. No matter what East End Angler says. I'm not saying there's no fish this year, but the numbers on the east side are down dramatically over years past. One day last week, there was one car at 7 mile, walked the creek, found out why. One car at 12 mile, same deal. The clincher was lower 16, with two guys fishing. And it seems they have been decreasing every year. I'd like to see another survey done, like the one Nagy has in his book. Maybe the west side has seen the same numbers, but anyone who says the east side has been getting the same numbers of steelhead is living in a dream world.
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 16:14:40
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Less fish--less anglers I'm all for it...
Mabee the mouth breathin, window lickin morons would stay home....
Should be more like the REAL steelhead fisheries.
Work all day for just a grab...And be happy as he11 about it..
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Re: And here come the less or no fish complaints.....
2013/11/18 17:24:53
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Ya right like anyone of the Trawt Gawds could even hack The SR let alone a Real Natural Fishery.. i.e Pacific northwest or Alaska.
Erie ditches aren't even close to being a real fishery. More like the kids table at Thanksgiving, jus say'IN.....
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