Fall Spawners

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2013/11/11 10:04:21 (permalink)

Fall Spawners

We had some discussion about fall spawning rainbows a while back. While going through the 2012 DEC Annual Report for a lecture I'm doing later in the week, I found a reference to these fish.  DEC Stocks 75,000 Randolph hatchery domestic rainbows that are listed as fall spawners.  These are likely the fish that Dime has been seeing a lot of, we also used to see quite a few in Maxwell.  The reference is in the stocking chart for 2012 at http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt12part1.pdf
 
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/11 18:01:33 (permalink)
    Thanks for the link L13, I gave it a phone view today .. 200 some pages so I just skimmed the surface and it was interesting .. Used to attend the state of lake meetings .. I WILL read the entire DEC 2012 report again thanks to those who care..
    Fall bow spawners are new info for me and knowledge comes from learning .. Hope it never ends, even being old.er..
     

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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/12 18:14:11 (permalink)
    I wonder if they would  have a better chance at successfully spawning. Is that a possible reason for their introduction?
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/13 06:43:46 (permalink)
    Good memory lucky... yes, I've seen spawning rainbows from November to late may... which is why I'm convinced there is a stable wild reproduction population of them.
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/13 07:38:45 (permalink)
    And if I'm not mistaken lucky, this is not a new introduction. I recall seeing colored up bows and spawned out bows in later fall months/early winter in the early 90's when I first started out up here. And around five years ago they would be mixed in with the spawning browns in oswego between late November and late january
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/13 11:52:10 (permalink)
    The bows/steel spawn and probably hatch but if it were not for the hatchery there would be next to no adults to fish for.Unlike the Salmon that leave the rivers come spring the bows/steel stay in the rivers through the summer,and then they die.
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/13 13:24:10 (permalink)
    Never fished drop backs pafisher?  Or are you talking about something else?
    The skamania stay in the river over the summer, but they are few and far between.  Some of the smaller "steely bows" stay in the spring seeps through the summer.  But most of the spawned out steel make their way back to the lake by the end of may. (or middle depending on temperatures.

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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/13 13:47:47 (permalink)
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    Never fished drop backs pafisher?  Or are you talking about something else?
    The skamania stay in the river over the summer, but they are few and far between.  Some of the smaller "steely bows" stay in the spring seeps through the summer.  But most of the spawned out steel make their way back to the lake by the end of may. (or middle depending on temperatures.




    Keith,I'm referring to the young hatchling bows/steel that hatch in the fall/spring.The young stay in the rivers for a year after they hatch and then migrate out to the lake.Most water in the tribs get too warm for them to survive,the few that would make it are not enough to sustain the fishery.Not referring to adult drop backs.
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/13 14:04:21 (permalink)
    oh...got ya
    Yep you are right....

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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/14 07:20:47 (permalink)
    Looking back to the 2008 report (http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/lorpt2008.pdf)
    the stocking lists go back to 1991, and show low of 24000 to a high of 115000 domestics of various age/sizes.  It would be logical to stock a variety of " races" within a species , you introduce more genetic diversity, and if there is a factor that negatively effects one group, you maybe have another group that is not impacted.  Kind of not putting all your eggs in one basket. IMHO.
     
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/14 08:25:17 (permalink)
    Thanks lucky. My knowledge of them comes from dribs and drabs of hearsay when I was younger and starting out... and then from actual experience formed personal opinion/thoughts. Its always good to hear about the facts even if its 25 years later. ThNks for the info.

    Since you're on a roll, how about the lakers that were present from around 1991 to 1998... with 97 being the most dominant I saw...with a complete absence in 99. Can swear I had put ones on the bank that were over 15 pounds. In those times we would leave spots because we were hooking too many lakers and not enough steel. Can you share any knowledge on that subject??? Being that they were late fall /early winter spawners...not really off subject
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/15 07:32:56 (permalink)
    We used to run into a lot of lakers in run below the meadow.  I dont really know what was happening there except that I have read that some lakers will enter tribs to find appropriate gravel for spawning.  The Lake around Selkirk looks to be a lot of cobble, so maybe those fish were not finding what they were looking for and ran to see what they would find in the river.  But I have not been down there in years since DSR became the haunt of the rich chic and trendy, and Connie headed off to the 'daks.
     
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/15 08:45:53 (permalink)
    Lucky, not just referring to dsr... as far up as the lfz wed find abundant numbers. And yes I did hear that there was loss of spawning grounds for some reason or another which forced them up the tribs in pursuit for suitable bedding grounds.

    Connie was great along with mike.
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/15 09:05:00 (permalink)
    Andy- Were those the years the lake was low and even the baitfish had spawning issues ?  Could that be why they ran in for a while ?? My memory kinda says that was in the 80s but ---- thats my memory-- its old too-- Recall trying to get out of a marina up around Sandy Pond into the main lake once and we barely made it. They were catching them back then in the stillwater above the mouth of Grindstone around that 'low lake'  time too.
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    post edited by r2g2 - 2013/11/15 19:13:28
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    Re: Fall Spawners 2013/11/15 19:42:18 (permalink)
    Not that I know much, but I though I read somewhere that the years those trout ran they had stocked a different strain that ran the river a few years before.   May have no merit  though.    I caught 1 around Pineville during that time. 

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