Went up for a looksy

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2013/10/27 18:22:28 (permalink)

Went up for a looksy

I had to got to town so I stopped by a few spots for a looksy.  Pressure was sure low today down low, maybe 15 people from behind the muffler shop to the  bend.   Watched for 20 minutes or so and no hook ups.   Ball park had 2 cars, 81 hole had 4 or 5 cars  and the staircase was pretty empty too.  When I was in town watching I was picking out spots where I  would have casted, I think next time water is high I may give it a try, but probably with my spinning rod.

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    dimebrite2
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/27 19:13:56 (permalink)
    Clint what time were you there? Ball park had about 15 cars this morning when I was there. Quite a few guys above bridge and the bend below the town pool looked like salmon season. Drove over the tall bridge just before dark and about ten guys in the shoots below...

    Spin rod with a bobber could be effective but don't be afraid to try the fly rod. You can high stick/ dead drift egg patterns, nymphs or strsamers from an upstream cast and then let it swing out below you (hope this method doesn't offend anyone). Mostly short casts in skinny riffs around there in high water. The upstream approach and angle is all dependent on your weight used, velocity of water and area of prime target...
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/27 19:21:13 (permalink)
    Watched a video of aka . Snagger wher he had said 40 hookups using the fly rod in the high water. If not mistaken there were at least 4 PAC- Man size shots on that rig. Yup high stick em .. Lol

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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/27 19:47:43 (permalink)
    It was about 200 or so give or take.  Maybe everyone was at lunch or went home to watch football   ;0).   Actually was pretty surprised.   HT I saw that video and I sometimes have a little trouble believing those reports (maybe I am just jealous).   I have met Shane once or twice briefly  and he seems like a pretty good guy.    DB I was more thinking of just drifting/bottom bouncing with the spin rod.  I could use some of those eggs I have in the fridge and cover more water and cast easier with the extra weight I would need.  Would strictly be soft water towards the shore or like you described with the fly rod.

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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/27 19:56:39 (permalink)
    Yup clint... just remember, with persistent mending, bottom bouncing or lower water column "can" be achieved... and when all else fails, a tight lined swing can always be used... always use enough weight to allow your fly to swing straight down though... you can often get a grab when its straight down from ya ;)


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    ...As little weight to allow a full drift...
    post edited by dimebrite2 - 2013/10/27 20:28:49
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/27 21:51:17 (permalink)
    I've actually been trying to tie a fly that will work on the dead drift, and then have the profile on the swing.  I had good luck with one last fall, but so far this year, they have only caught rocks.
     
    Clint, remember what 2B was saying, the fish are looking for the same kind of water regardless of flow.  Find the man walking speed 4 foot deep spot and the fish should be there, flies or eggs.
     
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/27 22:14:47 (permalink)
    Upriver was busy in spots. I got  a shark on a leech, a domestic on a psycho prince and had 2 chrome jumpers spit at me on small oregon cheese eggs. All fair .
    From those I saw and talked to, I did average to good. Wasn't hard to fish the 1200 in the zones without lots of weight.  At least I hung up very, very little.  Fair amount of people around the Pineville bridge. I ended the day there- noone had anything good to say.   Can't wait to go back Th. thru Sat.  Nancy bought me a new Rio Switch line for my B-Day.  Even ordered it from Fish USA.
     
    post edited by fichy - 2013/10/27 22:29:49
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 05:16:17 (permalink)
     Took advantage of every inch (+ ?) between the packies and hook also.
    He's da man.
     
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 06:36:57 (permalink)
    PS  he also has a post somewhere where he talks about people saying the people in Altmar are snaggers and litterers but all the trash is down by town.
     
    Funny thing is all his lodgers have been down standing in the runs at the ballfields blocking fish and below the long bridge doing the same thing.
    So the way I see it wherever his devotees are the worst actions are.
     
    He also complains about the people snagging steelheads.
    Did a spit take of the morning brew reading that comedy.
    Can't make this stuff up.
    Nobody would believe it.
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 06:38:35 (permalink)
    Lucky13
    I've actually been trying to tie a fly that will work on the dead drift, and then have the profile on the swing.  I had good luck with one last fall, but so far this year, they have only caught rocks. Clint, remember what 2B was saying, the fish are looking for the same kind of water regardless of flow.  Find the man walking speed 4 foot deep spot and the fish should be there, flies or eggs. L13 


    Lucky, I've had success with quite a few. Never was too concerned with profile when tying, more so presentation in my drift... have hit many steel in the past by letting various egg and estaz patterns or nymphs swing out after a dead drift usually giving a mend before the initial swing to let it get down again. Have also had success with flies like WOoly worms Green machines and even Wooly buggers on the dead.

    4 foot walking pace water is definitely ideal text Book water to target. But I tend to target all types of water and fish will always hold in many different lies troughout the river. I would suppose that I would be sliGhting myself if I didn't.

    charlie great report hopefully I can catch up with you guys one of the days that you are up maybe Friday.
    post edited by dimebrite2 - 2013/10/28 07:46:34
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 12:17:57 (permalink)
    Lucky,  I have been thinking in terms of some of the flies some guides and I worked on for driftboats on trout rivers. We found incorporating rubber legs (like sili-legs which have great movement) in a helical pattern into estaz or chenille both provided movement and  illusion of size (profile). Kind of like an ultra wooly bugger.
    Another thing to experiment with. For now, I need to get some steel on the bank with nice, easy eggs and nymphs.  Hope I run into you, Dime. I'll be camping  at Stoney's.
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 12:31:32 (permalink)
    The most effective helgdamute pattern I ever used had rubber legs and a foam head pulled forward and tied off... olive chenile or brown body... think it was calmed the Delaware river helgramite. Tied with weight on the hook. Usually dead drifted followed by a swing out in the end
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 12:52:05 (permalink)
    i have a very affective helgramite pattern...one of the guys at the BP fly shop came up with it a couple years ago....closest thing to real i've seen and not hard to tie

    wishin i was fishin
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 19:03:41 (permalink)
    Got a pic or a link, bear?  I met some guy using Dobbies (what some call them, as they are Dobson Fly larvae)  and doing well in Pineville on steel last Dec.  I generally  just use a long tail of marabou and ostrich herl with a dumbell eyed head and rubber legs. Always interested in what may work better, though.
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 20:44:39 (permalink)
    Fichy, I can't do the link thingy, but check out Floyd franks Delaware river hellgramite pattern... we used to fish it for trout In the Delaware system and do well back in early 90's. If you could post the link that would be cool. We didn't get as intricate as the true pattern did but close enough and it worked great. The long shank streamer hook bent upwards by the eye of the hook gives it a nice twitching action i'd suppose... if I could only shake this 5-9 working schedule i'd be tying away at my vise. My son has tied more flies than me in the last few months... "all of which are american dreams"... or so they say ;)
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 21:20:56 (permalink)
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/28 22:36:35 (permalink)
    Thanks gerry... it really is an easy fly to tie and its highly effective. Gotta love the closing statement he concludes with... "if you're not ticking bottom you're not using enough weight"... and this is coming from a purist minded fly fisher... I love to tie flies that have a pull forward head or pulled back head/ body... couple that with hackle feathered beards, tails, or shucks... man that's fly fishing to me... used to fish natural nymph patterns on a straight tight line down stream above pockets for trout and have trout hammer them. Then fish the same patterns other times on a dead drift... Fly fishing to me is thinking out of the box. There's no rule. You can create you're own rhythm given the conditions presented to you. The text books can tell you the best case scenarios but they go right out the door in most cases... nothings perfect, or at least rarely perfect text book conditions.
    I hope some of you folks tie this fly up and have success with it. As my family and I enjoyed much success in the north western cats and upper Delaware and its tribs.
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    Re: Went up for a looksy 2013/10/29 07:45:38 (permalink)
    no link and i can't post pics on here because i am a computer idiot, but if you want to pm me a number i'll text you a pic of one

    wishin i was fishin
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