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2013/10/26 07:17:34 (permalink)

Streamer succes !

I wanted to take a second before Steelhead season gets into full gear and thank the guys who helped me with my streamer questions.  And let you know I put the info to use.  I made two o/n trips and had some success both trips.  Tradional swinging even with an unweighted fly and Int sink tip was only marginally successful.  I didn't snag alot of fish but could not get many to eat it either. But using that short quartering swing to visible and holding fish was effective. My son managed several hookups each morning with that method.  I have to say i was surprised by the lack ok HEAVY pressure and the few below us on any day were pretty co-operative and friendly, a nice experience.  I'll probably do it again next season.
 
Thanks for the help.
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    twobob
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 07:20:15 (permalink)
    This is the place to get real advise on real fishing.
     
    Glad it helped.
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 09:44:51 (permalink)
    I probably had 300 flies with me while fishing the SR.  When it came down to it, the streamers didn't get nearly as many takes as the egg patterns.  I am not going to buy any streamers next year, egg patterns only.  Pink and black estaz eggs were my best flies, both in size 1/0.
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 10:01:44 (permalink)
    Buy?  Egg patterns are so easy to tie.  Get a vise, materials and learn.  You'll get added pleasure from landing something on your own creation.  In the long run you will save a lot of money too.
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 12:11:38 (permalink)
    TB21,
     
    You forget, Chartist would happily pay $150 a day to fish DSR, so paying $1.50 for a yarn fly that it cost you and me $0.15 to make is no skin off his back.  And fishing 1/0 "eggs", I have to wonder about "technique."   But certainly, if you want to swing flies, streamers are going to outfish eggs, because eggs don't swing, they drift, and there is not a lot to show action or movement in an egg on the swing, but if you are C+Ding, or high sticking, streamers won't do as much because they have little action on dead drift, and it is the movement of the fly across and down on the swing that enlivens the hair or maribou or rabbit and brings it to life.  Basically a comparison of apples and oranges because where it is a best for one presentation, the other is not going to work as well.  I refer you to HT's discussion of different flytypes and presentations in relation to water levels and season in one of the other active threads here.  Of course, if the material and style is just window dressing for the EN CON's and the real intent is just to place a point somewhere near the head of a fish, the egg pattern will swing just fine, and has less material to interfere with the bend and barb and "true" intent. 
     
    IMHO!
     
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 13:44:00 (permalink)
    IMHO also. Nicely said.
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 15:24:12 (permalink)
    chartist
    I probably had 300 flies with me while fishing the SR.  When it came down to it, the streamers didn't get nearly as many takes as the egg patterns.  I am not going to buy any streamers next year, egg patterns only.  Pink and black estaz eggs were my best flies, both in size 1/0.




    SNAGGER is what you are,use a grappling hook for more "success".
    Then you'll have something to brag about when you' re drinking at the Riverhouse.
    post edited by pafisher - 2013/10/26 15:26:42
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 17:09:55 (permalink)
    Here! Here!
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 17:34:15 (permalink)
    great post lucky! See you this week Jack
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/26 19:03:03 (permalink)
    Neaphyte,
     
    Sorry for the hijack!  Glad you and your son had some success!  Keep observing  and thinking and trying and it gets better and better!  You have to pay the dues, but it's a gas paying them!
     
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/27 07:48:27 (permalink)
    That's Ok Lucky. But I'm sure the guy using 1/0 egg hooks has the purest intent??? I have to admit the trips to the Salmon for salmon were to appease my son.  Now that we've had some rain and cooler weather the Steel has started to flow. The next two months are what I wait for. Fresh fall steelhead on the swing.  Although this season is different so far, we'll see.  I have only fished the "other" great NY steelhead fishery.  Will be up to the Salmon R next week!  I really like my new Sage switch rod! Whats the post spawn carnage like up there.  Everything smelling like feesh yet? 
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/27 13:45:50 (permalink)
    It was pretty ripe last week, but 1500 for 4 or 5 days should clean it out pretty good.  Thursday. Friday look good for temperatures, although 1500 is a little more water than I like.
     
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/28 08:53:54 (permalink)
    high water clears out the stinkers....i've fished it late in the fall with low water and the smell could gag a magot
    i don't love the high water but if you fish floats on the slack water seams you can do well on steel and browns

    wishin i was fishin
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/10/28 09:35:00 (permalink)
    A little early to commit but look out for you weekend warriors.. could be soaking rain Wednesday through Thursday... if it comes through as some models are predicting it will be an even bigger blow out!
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/03 22:30:21 (permalink)
    And time says Dime was right on the money!
     
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 00:54:12 (permalink)
    Nice !!
    neaphyte, sounds like the trip was a success.. glad the streamer / sight fishing worked well and hope you come back with new ideas learned.. looking forward to them..
    salmon fishing for myself is basically a tale of 2 rivers (or bobs) but streamers have always produced well for a predator fish over a feeder fish..
    300 flies ? gosh, in the day I would tie 500 streamers for the season of clients.. carry about 50 per day, lose about 10 maybe if the bite was hot..
    It's steel time and anything goes (fly wise) until spring then it SRS Streamer time again..
    Hope to share ideas and water with you sometime.

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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 11:19:54 (permalink)
    I wasn't hanging  around here when the first thread  of neaphyte's was active. I went back and read it- it was a great thread. I was busy training for doing miles in the  Sierra wilderness at the expense of early salmon season. This year, I've already planned  (and got the plane tickets) for a backpack trip  in   the Grand Canyon in April.(Rainbows and cutts at the confluence of the Colo. and Bright Angel Creek)  I may miss some drop backs, but  next Sept. I will be fishing streamers for Kings and Ho's. Getting top water bites from salmon is off the charts. Gotta be early, and gotta be low on the river for the best chance at it, I think.  2bob would know if that's true or not. . Tuna showed me the DSR and got me started.  Not that I won't go upriver later in Sept., too. I'm missing the Kings, to tell you the truth. They are awesome fish. Having them v wake and smash a fly  on the surface is one of the best fishing sights I've seen, and I've seen a few. Oh  yeah, I forget salmon have to be lined or snagged.  Silly me.
     
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 12:01:38 (permalink)
    Shot at a king in the surface film downlow.
    Pretty much your only chance and even then few and far between.
    Stars must be perfectly aligned.
    Ripping takes on streamers lower in the water column the norm.
    But then I have to admit I have never spent a season targeting them at the surface.
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 12:06:34 (permalink)
    I had success on streamers way up in late Sept early Oct,they are n't chasing on the surface but they grab it mid to low column and then you hang on! I love it!!
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 12:33:41 (permalink)
    I've had every species hit surface for a fly throughout my time. Not always streamers though. Usually in tail outs of drifts while fly is skating slightly below surface. The two that take the cake for me are a brown and coho. Both in the joss hole coincidently. The ho was mid December on a blue extaz with blood red crystal flash pulled from the front over the back and tied off with a tail. It was high water and was dead drifting from the north bank in head of joss hole letting it swing straight down in the oxygenated pocket rolling over the slate. about a 12# beat red male crushed it nose first and can.e right out of the water.. lost it as I wad using 5 or 6# maxima and didn't stand a chance. Awesome is an undrstatemdnt.

    The brown was in the tail out with a wooly bugger no weight. It was my first outting ever with a spey rod in 1999... stripping line out and getting the fly out, while still dry and floating on the surface a 5# brown crushed it right off the surface. My brother and I looked at each other in shock for a few seconds then I proceeded to land the fish.

    My son had a coho crush his yarn fly this past august with no weight on. The thing came right out of the water...straight tight lined tail out of drift...

    Steelies in tail of town pool February 1992... crushing black extaz on the strip in of the tailout... a top 5 day of my time for sure... kings here and there through the years.

    Steelies post spawn in may 2007...late may ...the first year they implemented no weight rule after may 1st??? They took severe inticing but once again they struck on the straight downstream from almost tickling their noses with a maribou tail... took 3 fish in two days of target...

    Yes it can be done all year round with various patterns

    Neaphyte... great to keep the kids involved...tight lined brother!
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 12:44:09 (permalink)
    fichy
    I wasn't hanging  around here when the first thread  of neaphyte's was active. I went back and read it- it was a great thread. I was busy training for doing miles in the  Sierra wilderness at the expense of early salmon season. This year, I've already planned  (and got the plane tickets) for a backpack trip  in   the Grand Canyon in April.(Rainbows and cutts at the confluence of the Colo. and Bright Angel Creek)  I may miss some drop backs, but  next Sept. I will be fishing streamers for Kings and Ho's. Getting top water bites from salmon is off the charts. Gotta be early, and gotta be low on the river for the best chance at it, I think.  2bob would know if that's true or not. . Tuna showed me the DSR and got me started.  Not that I won't go upriver later in Sept., too. I'm missing the Kings, to tell you the truth. They are awesome fish. Having them v wake and smash a fly  on the surface is one of the best fishing sights I've seen, and I've seen a few. Oh  yeah, I forget salmon have to be lined or snagged.  Silly me.
     




    Charlie,we'll get into those Kings next Sept/Oct at my secret spot....that's a date!
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 16:11:31 (permalink)
    Absolutely, Jack!!!!! One of my best days ever was there with you. I had that in mind when I said upriver end of Sept. 
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 18:17:39 (permalink)
    Had a double digits male steelhead come up and grab a globug hanging on the surface below me while I was lighting a cigarette (so at least 10 years ago).  Scared the shazit right out of me and the fish!
     
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 18:24:12 (permalink)
    Lucky13
    Had a double digits male steelhead come up and grab a globug hanging on the surface below me while I was lighting a cigarette (so at least 10 years ago).  Scared the shazit right out of me and the fish!
     
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    Had that happen last year for me.    My line was probably 20 feet down just hanging out.  I had the pole under my arm and was trying to get my fly box out of my pocket to change it up.  Almost ripped the pole out of my arm

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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 18:48:03 (permalink)
    Thus the term , drag the bag. Often happens when egg sacks come to the surface after the drift. The tail of the black hole was perfect for that

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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 19:18:25 (permalink)
    hot tuna
    Thus the term , drag the bag. Often happens when egg sacks come to the surface after the drift. The tail of the black hole was perfect for that


    Used to drift bags with weight forward fly lines early on in my beginning years when flies didn't seem to work... the bag drag picked up fish often. Ya know, there's so many old styles and methods that just get lost in time. But they all still work...
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 19:30:39 (permalink)
    The old but effective Leisenring Lift, deadly.
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 20:12:20 (permalink)
    Interesting jerry... amazing you can fish certain methods and never know it. I prefer to let a dead drifted nymph swing out at the end... always has been effective for me. From what I just read regarding leisinger lift and tactics, that's pretty much a staple. Interesting reads regarding the leisinger method on the net
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/04 21:19:51 (permalink)
    Who ever said you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
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    Re: Streamer succes ! 2013/11/05 03:46:21 (permalink)
    Steelhead on the surface?
    The first I saw was the guy with the golf ball sized yarnball plunked in water shallow enough so it sat on the surface swinging back and forth.
    Fishing a Zebco 33.
    Lucky and I were smuggly laughing about it when a mid teen steelhead came up and crushed it.
    It took off destroying the reel.
     
    Second was guiding a dentist fron VT.
    There used to be a pocket between the silo and glide that held fish only on high water.
    As I was once again trying to explain that he was not finishing the drift his globug was swinging across the tail of the run where he should have been drifting.
    Rod backwards under his arm and a steelhead comes up and grabs.
    Turned, ran about 10 feet and fell off the hook.
     
    Targeting that pocket I had three take on top in one morning.
    It was a day with so many kings I truely started trying to find ways not to hook them.'
    Finally went with a bomber on top.
    One hit dead drift at the top of the run  and two skating across the tail.
    Got 2 or 3 more from there before a flood changed that whole stretch of river.
    Have had them come short a few times in the lfz.
     
    Still carry some sort of dry with me just in case.
     
    Lucky I think I recall one coming up for you below the meadow one day.
    Not dry but weightless at the surface.
    post edited by twobob - 2013/11/05 03:48:25
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