dsr south

yes they did, guess they know somebody

i'll bet its an orvis shop

Tailwater Lodge, a place to separate the snobs from the slobs.  They can film the fishing version of Caddyshack there, call it Fishshack. "Oh it's in the mouth." 
 

i guess so
glad i stay for free right across the road

I'm glad Clint posted the map showing all the exposed bank- read access- on Fbook. Of course, I had to point out how easy it would be to gain wading and anchoring with the exception of about 250 feet.

Sorry I don't do Facebook so it doesn't seem to easy by even looking at the map .
I see the section of line which extends into the water but I see private property around the areas getting to the water unless you cross over from the north or scale along the cliff below the parking lot.
Am I missing something ?

No denying their right. NYS " gave" them the property with the tax incentive for so called employment agreement . Wish to se what my employer promised the United States Of America (EPA) and state of NY ? Want to know how many people have been laid off since that agreement and the financial penalty of 1.5 mill ( just the start) for not meeting their agreement ..

It will be no real big deal to them if they close . Believe me, they will still come out ahead. The community and state will not.
5-7 years is my timeline I'm sticking to.
Now I'm not in favor of anyone going under regardless but I do not see how without back door deals it can survive .

A shortage of rooms?  The Fat F****** Snagger sat empty for years until NYS went in and bailed out that landowner.  Yes, money talks, and nobody wades except for 189 per night.
 
So what are the chances that if the hatchery is short on eggs, they close the river down this far!
 
L13

Although I said it earlier on , my sympathies are more for the local community especially the youths who have lost a large amount of open space and activity.... where do they go now???

Fukk the fishing end of it. The percentage of money that goes in to license sales compared to the amount of river lost is miniscule in my eyes compared to the youth community's loss...where will they go???

...oops am I thinking out loud again???

Tax incentives are a whirlwind for Communities- one one hand if you dont give them business will go someplace else and on the other if no one gave them business would still come in  or not expand or exist.
 The thing that makes folks give them is the other issues of local employment as the likely case with the school -or let it sit and rot with no positive side whatsoever to the town.
   They feel  that the incentive is worth the risk not to mention the upgrades and general appearance as opposed to continued blighted spaces.
 We had one come in with lots of intro level employment activity and they agreed to bus employees in from the inner City as part of the 10 year deal. Did their business basicaly out of a new pole kinda building ( cheap construction low maintainance costs) and they stuck to the employee agreement- lotsa jobs came of it.
    OK -- At the end of the 10 years they tried to move out and do the same thing in the neighboring Town- neighbors said NO because the 10 year was an intro offer and they had tipped their hand- that was 15 years ago and they ares still here  lol.  
    Charlie hit the nail on the head IMHO with the Hotel employment and upscale folks regularly hiring local drifters. Altmar will see a direct increase of employment and folks with expendable cash as opposed to an empty old school costing basic maintainence dollars over the next 10 years.
   Even if the Business folds as Tuna and some of us feel likely.  Taxes will eventually come due which would NOT be the case if the Town still owned it.

If they started saying no anchoring I could lauch my pontoon, float thru their water as slow as possible slapping water with the oars all the way.
Pull over carry it back to the launch to do it again 3 or 4 times without much problem.
Or register it, slap on my electric trolling motor and take laps around the hole all day long.

They will be fishing out of boats.
It will be Dave Barber all over again.
Tailwater will book them a boat for 300 clams then pay the guide 150 to 200.The sport won't know the lodge is taking a 50% "finder's fee" and then undertip the scab guide who did all the work.
I say scab because if nobody would work for the cut rate fee they would have to pay the going rate to the guides.

db, I hear what your saying but your barking up the wrong tree to a bunch of fishermen who lost their playground.. That fight would be best fought with the local community.. Just sayin' ..
I gave it that timeline because any business model is on a 5 year profit return.. Such an investment such as reported 3.5 mill. would have to expect a profit within 5-7 years or go under.. I foresee the latter..
Clint:
As posted , it's a corporate scam.. And it's folks like us that get the shaft.. The bucks have to come from somewhere and yes, get passed down to the consumer..
The hardest thing for me also is what L-13 said.. WE (NYS) gave them the property and will pay out of our pockets for their profits.. Yes someone will profit even if it goes under..
The company I work for is BILLIONS (not millions) in debt , closing plants and laying people off left and right but the CEO's . investors and other fat cat's still collect HUGE bonuses.. Go figure..
 
I'm not so sure they will use boats.. Most will wander out back during retreat breaks to cast a line , get a seminar about fishing then wander back in when the dinner bell rings.. Maybe in between happy hr also..
Other then that I don't see the leaving the security of the property to rub elbows with Joe Dirt.. Well maybe a winter float for the real high end guests but thats about all I see..
 
Now the question was ask who will stay there at 189.00 per night ?
Well it's apples to oranges but who would pay $390.00 a night for DSR lodge ?  There are folks that do..
Heck Maybe the Tailwater will have the secret service parked mid river to ensure their clients get exclusive rights too.. (I was pizzed that day I went to fish there )..
 
Oh well , time will tell and I have no doubt feuds will ensue and more changes will happen.. I bet the law enforcement will spend more time in that short 2,000' of water then anywhere else on the entire river and again we will be paying for their time..
I will explore the area this late fall into winter (north bank of course) just to see how things transpire..  I'm sure the Warden will not like the likes of someone like me and it's good to know I got friends in the area to come bail me out..lol (just kidding on the last part)..
 
Peace & Tuna
 
 
 

RG  IMHO there were only 3 options for that property a hotel with pay to play or an assisted living facility. The later are hard to make any money on and there is a tremendous amount of red tape and regulations.  The final option (which  I thought would happen ) was to sit vacant.  All have to remember we are actually dealing with 3 schools here that go closed and went up for sale.  The Parish school was larger and newer, better parking, better HVAC,  1 mile from 81 and more centrally located.   any company would easily pick this building over the other 2 and they did.   Bipsperix the incubator company bought it fo manufacturing and shipping.   The Williamstown school is not the oldest, but in the worse shape needing alot of work  HVAC is shot, needs a roof and windows.   It had smaller rooms and would make a good living facility.  To my knowledge it has had a few bites but is vacant and sitting there rotting.   Altmar school was a no brainer, prime location riverfront property.   The district did what it had to do to sell it.   Do I fault them no way.   I do fault the state and the county for pushing it through on my dime.   Here is what I dug up on the tax deals
 
Tailwater got a tax deal from the Oswego County Industrial Development Agency earlier this year. The lodge will get an exemption from a portion of its assessed value for 10 years, said L. Michael Treadwell, executive director of Operation Oswego County, the county's economic development office.
The exemption starts at 60 percent and declines over the course of the deal. The project also got a sales tax break on materials and equipment for the renovation work worth about $104,000.
The hotel's assessment hasn't been determined yet, Treadwell said.