Tailwater lodge.........

Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/TailwaterLodge
 
As guessed there are questions and some angry folks posting.   Posted on Facebook
 
"Tailwater Lodge has NOT changed or petitioned for any changes regarding the present public fishing rights that are in place. In regards to access, the north bank of the area known as the School House Pool and the surrounding areas is still public access. The South Bank only is going to be reserved for Tailwater Guests."
 
Someone asked
 
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"So if i anchor my boat a foot off shore on the south side like myself and everyone else does am i good? You only own bank rights correct-"
 
Answer
 
" our property boundaries are to the middle of the river, but regulating drift boat traffic is not in our access plan. As with all of the river we are aiming for a courteous relationship between bank anglers and drift boat anglers. This will be one of those areas where we will look for more insight as the season progresses. Hopefully we will have a banner season, we look forward to seeing everyone on the river."
 
 
Pay to play
 

"In regards to fees,the bank area surrounding the lodge will be reserved for overnight guests there isn't a pay to play scenario at this time. The room rates will fluctuate with the seasons. We are working on the rate structure now."
 
I "liked" the page.  This could get interesting.    They will also have a "Pro shop"  selling gear.  I will
at least check it out.

All Seasons  and Pineville sports shop has and will keep 99% of my business,   but that does not mean I will not go in, look around and check the place out.   I went to school in the district and there are many memories in that school for me.
It's a double edged sword.  I live in the area and welcome any business that will contribute to the tax base and provide local jobs.   Do I agree with limiting public access, well no, but it is what it is.    There will be plenty of folks spending $$$ there from September through December,  but I can say that I probably will not be one of them. 

My guess is that all civility will end when a high rolling customer lodges the first complaint about a drift boat parking in his "spot."
 

Middle of the river is a dynamic thing, whereas property lines are usually set on paper. Once again, the plats that were shown earlier did not show their line in the river. Someone up there should check the actual plats which are public records and see where the line actually is.  Unless someone stops me, there is nothing to prevent me from throwing up a posted sign on state land, and thereby excluding he less edumacated on where the line actually is.  I saw it done in the 'daks this past summer.
 
I know I have voiced my opinion to NYSDEC that more of the money collected from the public for licenses to support a public fishery should be spent on obtaining the access to the PUBLIC fishery before we ends up with another PA.
 
L13 

Because a river's course, it's beds and banks, change regularly due to flooding there is no way to accurately determine property boundaries without a survey map.  I fear that the State may have missed an opportunity to secure fishing rights for generations to come by not demanding PFR with the sale of this once public property.

Politics aside, easements and division of parcels is done all the time to protect the public's interest.  The DEC needed only to purchase an area to provide parking and a trail to the river as well as a curtilage area from the river bed back some fifty or one hundred feet.  Think of all the money the State wasted on the purchase of the Portly Angler, more than enough to purchase the school property. 

Seems to me I saw a property LINE on that map- irregardless of the meanderings of the  SR it would seem a line is a line.
 But then laws all too frequently defy common sense.

Im pulling plugs through there just like ive done the last 14 years! That looks like a lot of property from the view, they should put a par 3 golf course around the property and a 3d bow course through the woods, gonna pay taxs might as well use the land.

If the aerial map that Clint posted is accurate only about a third of the property reaches into the river.  It looks as if it will be difficult to try and enforce trespassing laws particularly below the thumb in the center of the property.    

I thought in the Joke Orchard case eventually the owner had a new survey done and found he own that property actually  owned more of the river than he was originally posting.
 Didn't the state cave and pay him to allow access, which is what he asked for from the start.?

This is also from the oswego co page
The borders are clear
http://rptsgisweb.oswegoc...000000&swis=352000

I think the maps serve to illustrate the point I made earlier about changes in the stream bed from erosion.  The area that shows the property line toward mid stream may once have been dry land with the entire stream channel to the north of that location.  Also the jaggedness of the property line along streamside may indicate where land once met water.  

The bed and remainder of the river across the way are listed as Niagara Mohawk, as is the stretch downstream on their side.  It is likely NIMO sold the north shore access to NYS as an easement as that is all shown as PFR.  It will be interesting to watch this develop and hear the song and dance that DEC comes up with  if it is not the school's bed in that section.  Money talks, nobody wades!
 
L13

All I went on is the tax map that you gave us the link for, Clint.  There is no language there, bur it showed all the properties so I clicked on the neighboring one.  I think the language that needs to be checked is the deed, or you could also speak to the people in the tax office. 
 
Here's a question?  Was an environmental review of the project ever done?   a lot of this issue may have been covered in that.
 
L13

   We can peer over the maps all we want ( I do )- Am sure those investing Millions knew  what the deal was - likely their ads describe whats  correct- like it or not.
 This year will produce a learning curve for average fisherfolks - next they will be used to it.
   A  kick in the butt to  protect the public fishery further with more PFR- it brings  Millions into the  fiscally depressed local area- they should be protecting the investment.
  The Ball Park was talked about not long ago.  Whats public now  may not always be .
 That said they are talking about more  trails along the North side through the Staircase from Downtown Pool including whats now PVT.-- so there is interest by Govt --good.