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No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior

From the Greensburg Trib
 
Beaver Run Reservoir fishing proposal jettisoned




By Rich Cholodofsky
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, January 12, 2008


Fishermen will not be permitted to cast their lines in Beaver Run Reservoir.
Municipal Authority of Westmoreland County board members this week rejected a proposal that would have allowed public fishing in Beaver Run Reservoir.
Sportsmen throughout the region, along with the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission, for the last year have advocated opening part of the 1,300-acre lake in Salem, Bell and Washington townships for recreational fishing.
Fishing at the reservoir, which supplies drinking water to the northern portions of Westmoreland County, has been prohibited since 1952.

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Authority board members, at their monthly meeting on Thursday, unanimously rejected the fishing proposal, saying it would be too costly and pose a security risk.
The authority said that if fishing were to be allowed, a full-time police officer would have to be hired to patrol the reservoir property, parking lots and handicapped-accessible restrooms would need to be constructed, garbage removal would be required and the purchase of a motorized boat would be required to handle emergencies on the water, according to authority manager Chris Kerr.
Those changes, as well as some other slight modifications, were estimated to cost as much as $150,000 a year.
Kerr said the fish commission refused to commit to make annual payments for those items.
"We would have considered (allowing fishing) if it didn't cost our ratepayers. We were not going to have our ratepayers subsidize recreation," Kerr said.
Area sportsmen lobbied municipal authority members last year and twice asked county commissioners to intervene and support the fishing plan. A petition with more than 3,300 signatures of people who supported the plan was presented to authority board members and county commissioners last year.
The plan pushed by the sportsmen called for only a segment of the reservoir, from south of Route 286 to Trees Mills in Salem, to be open to anglers.
"I'm disappointed. I was hoping we could come to some agreement," said Ron Evancho, a fisherman and a Westmoreland County-based waterways conservation officer for the fish commission.
"This is obviously something the people supported and it's a matter of opinion as to the necessity of the things (the authority) says we need. In my opinion they're not necessary," Evancho said.

Rich Cholodofsky can be reached at rcholodofsky@tribweb.com or 724-837-0240.

The Commissioners keep their private fishing lake private.
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    TransAmWS6
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 09:41:50 (permalink)
    What species of fish are in there? that people wanna fish it so bad?
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 10:46:23 (permalink)
    ALOT OF BIG FISH  !!!
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 11:06:19 (permalink)
    what just bass?, it doesnt get stocked so aside from the bass, panfish.  i dont see how any other species could be in abundance there?
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 12:06:43 (permalink)
    The Commissioners keep their private fishing lake private. You got that right, & property for hunting too
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 14:14:49 (permalink)
    a place that hasnt seen a fisherman(legally) in 56 years. i bet there are some huge fish in there.
     
    i, personally would love to fish the pymatuning lake nursery waters. could you imagine the fishing in that hole. with the exception of the wco's and their buddies fishing it(dont know that for sure, but i'd bet on it), that place is virgin waters.
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 14:44:27 (permalink)
    I know people that have fished and they claim the fish are huge!!
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 15:19:20 (permalink)
    alright look I live in Salem Township, about 2 minutes from Trees Mills.  I am here to tell you there is a state record everything in this Resivior, Pike, Walleye, Both Bass and Catfish, easily.  I know its closed to fishing and all but without getting into details I commando this res. about 3 times a summer.  It has been opened up for bass tournaments in the 60's and 6-8 lb bass aren't uncommon here.  Patrol used to be relativley light until 9/11, just don't get caught here. If you plan on fishing it carry your gear in somthing small and turn the Jets on for when you get snuck up on by the water authority, make sure u have a lisence.  All you can get is a mediocre tresspassing fine.  I think its b/s ive wanted to see this place opened for a long time, but It would be a disaster.  It'd be ruined in 1 year gauranteed. 
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/12 20:35:23 (permalink)
    I grew up next to the lake.  Which means yes I have fished it when a kid.  My dad and I used to take 5 gallon buckets full of crappie out of the lake.  Also have an uncle whose neighbor's property borders the lake.  He has caught pike up to 54".  Largemouth, Smallmouth, Pike,  Panfish, Walleye, Catfish, Carp.  You name it and there is most likely a state record in there.  This fishery is that good.  The water authority are A**Holes.  F-them there are numerous ways to make this work.  Money can come from many different orgs.  Including from the state if it were to be opened.  I am going to leave annoying messages to the water authority everyday this new year. 
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/13 09:26:58 (permalink)
    I dont care if it ever gets opened, better for me and the rest of the ridgerunners that know the lay of the land..... lol
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/13 09:51:41 (permalink)
    Keep it closed loomis is right the lake would be trashed in no time at all... People suck!!! They ruin everything their would be trash and garbage everwere in no time i give it a year and they would just close it again....
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/13 18:33:18 (permalink)
    Loomis i am with you on the whole "ridge runner" name.very high ridges around the lake..  Everytime i hear a chopper or plane i freak out and hide.  How often is it patroled?
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/15 20:01:33 (permalink)
    Its patroled a decent amount, not so much in fall and winter but in summer and spring definetly.  To be honest I wouldn't risk it, I don't even do it that often but when you live a 2 minute quad ride away it gets hard. 
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 12:19:30 (permalink)
    "The authority said that if fishing were to be allowed, a full-time police officer would have to be hired to patrol the reservoir property, parking lots and handicapped-accessible restrooms would need to be constructed, garbage removal would be required and the purchase of a motorized boat would be required to handle emergencies on the water, according to authority manager Chris Kerr."
     
    Those are obviously excuses  not sound reasoning.
     
    Full time officer: Sounds like most of their current security is directed at preventing fishin. Few public fishing areas have FULL time patrols. Good ole country boys out fishing= best security you could have. Additional PART time patrols by the PF&BC.
     
    Handicap accessible restrooms: Not required, again many public fishing areas have no such facilities. There are also many grant resources for construction of such facilities.
     
    Parking lots: One un-paved, un maintained lot would most likely suffice. Again many grant resources are available.
     
    Motorized boat: Not necessary. Local fire/rescue can handle emergencies
     
    Garbage collection: I'm sure one, or more local sportsmens clubs could be recruited to "adopt" the area for clean-up purposes.
     
    I've never fished there, probabley never would, ( don't even know where it is ), but their "excuses" have no merit.

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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 13:19:31 (permalink)
    Beaver run wow! Some biggins in there boy i would put money on it the next state recored large mouth bass come from there no problem. I got one last year outta there in June was little over 7 pounds and released to fight another day i weighed it on a boga grip so i know it was true    And there some huge****pike isn't nothing to be tossing a weedless rat or frog and have pike slam it....And really huge walleyes there as well....I just don't know why they don't have a fee if you want a years pass charge a $ 100 per person, for a season of fishing. Trust me people will pay the money for the quality of fish in that bad boy. And yes you do from time to time have to run like a thief in the night to get away...lol.....                                                                           centerpin_drift!
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 16:43:22 (permalink)
    funny what happens when fish arent harvested. if it were opened up i'm sure the trophy quality fish wouldnt last long. sounds like a perfect catch and release body of water.
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 16:57:42 (permalink)
    The fact that there are some, maybe even many large fish there is not necessarily the result of no harvest. No doubt C&R can increase avg. size in SOME species, and in SOME waters, but it can also have the opposite, or zero result in OTHER species, and waters.
     
    The average catch size, may be higher due size of water, and lower pressure, rather than higher avg. population size. Even if it were opened up as a C&R only, the increase in pressure would likely lower the avg. CATCH size.

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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 17:17:43 (permalink)
    dang it spoon. must you always be logical.
     
    by the SOUNDS of the place(never been there, dont know where it is)it sounds like it would make a nice C&R lake. the average size MAY drop with the pressure, but so does the amount of liquid refreshments in my refrigerator when i dont replenish the cans and bottles.
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 18:03:39 (permalink)
    Spoonchucker, you hit the nail on the head, its total bull$hit. Cost of full time cop, you already have the westmoreland county parks officers, and you would have the fish commission, plus the sportsmen, how much security do you need.As for a boat you already have one of those to, its the one thats parked by the 286 causeway, the one that always has fishing rods hanging out of it.As for garbage cleanup, refer back to the westmoreland county parks.Yes you would need restrooms and a parking lot, but as stated already there are grants out there.So Mr. Kerr come up with some better excuses, and tell your employees to hide there rods better while there fishing," i mean patroling"
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 19:55:43 (permalink)
    That lake does have large fish. The PFBC trap netted fish out of there to stock Northmoreland lake before it opened. You should have seen the size of bluegill. Talking dinner plate size. Bass that were 24 inches and bigger. First year that they opened Northmoreland all those big fish were gone. They had to open the lake on the first day of trout season. Now our lucky to get a bluegill that's seven inches. All but a few of the huge bass are gone. Now the lake is being over ran with carp.
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 20:12:48 (permalink)
    guarantee you will see the same thing if it would be opened.

    marshall lake in allegheny county(where the geese are, where north park ice skating rink is) WAS loaded with huge bluegill, bass, crappie, etc... it was opened up and picked clean in less than a year.

    Catch and Release---what a concept

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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 21:26:29 (permalink)
    FEVOR -
     
    I'm not opposed to opening Beaver Run.  15 or so years ago, I used to bowhunt a farm near there for two seasons that bordered the lake, and got to know a couple of locals who talked about the fish in there.  I think it would be awesome if something could be figured out to open this to the public.
     
    But I don't think you can pin your hopes on the Westmoreland Co. Parks offices to police and maintain such a big lake.  First of all, it's not a county park, and unless the county ponies up some $$$ (which is probably very unlikely), it's not gonna fall under their jurisdiction.  I doubt they'd be interested in maintaining it if they didn't profit from it or own it.  I think it would be highly unlikely the county would have any interest whatsoever in adding staff and providing resources for such a venture.  Compare the size of Beaver Run to Twin Lakes.  Water acerage alone it is probably 20 to 30 times bigger than the two lakes at Twin Lakes combined.  Add in things like shoreline maintenance, etc, and you're looking at minimum a state-sized job, not local or county-sized. 
     
    It's a shame that this probably comes down to dollars and cents, and the reasoning of the water authority, as Spoon said, sounds like excuses.  But I bet no local or county government agency is gonna take on such a responsibility when budgets are already so tight.  Might be better for those interested in opening this up to look to the Fish Commission, State Parks, or even a federal program, such as the Army Corp of Engineers or National Park Service given the size and scope of such a venture. 
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 21:45:56 (permalink)
    The running hole....That is what we called it in the 70s&80s...
    Big****crappys i wish i could still run.
    Not just the fishing but the adventure was so much fun..
    i still know a few young boys that go there from pittsburgh..
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/16 22:26:16 (permalink)
    I am tired of hearing that the county, state and federal gov'ts have NO money. They just have no interest in Beaver Run. If there was an elected official that wanted to open the res to fishing, they would wave their money, oh I mean magic wand and it would be open. If they knew that they would get a bunch of votes for opening Beaver Run to the public, it would be open.
     
    Here is a google link for a map of Beaver Run:   http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=40.477248,-79.571228&spn=0.12692,0.209084&z=12&om=0
     
     
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/17 17:04:40 (permalink)
    Rsquared-                                                                                    Im not 100% sure of this, but id say its atleast99.9% that the westmoreland county parks does all the patroling & security for Beaver Run, and its been this way for many years, so i'd have to say someone is already committed to this, being either the county itself or the county parks, cause who's paying them for this. As you stated this all comes down to dollars & cents. Maybe the fish commission could have a stamp like they did in erie to fund the project, but the main thing we need is a county commissioner with some balls to fight for this. And for all the people who think that if the run gets open it would be fished out in a few years, wheres the reasoning here, how could you do this when only half the lake would be open, and theres only bank fishing, no boats. And last but not least you treat the run as a trophy lake, each species has its own size slot and limit, cause guys Beaver Run is a trophy lake......
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/22 21:50:32 (permalink)
    I think im planing on fishing it in the early spring like march.... full camo i have a way to get in i believe i wont get caught unless they are hiding out in gili suits in the thorn bushes

    Ive never fished it but i sure as heck want too... and i will not trash it, all catch and release
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/23 19:12:59 (permalink)
    There is a mounted flathead catfish at "THE FISHING POST" on route 30 in Ligonier that would be the state record, but I was told it was caught in Beaver Run Reservoir and the pfbc would not recognize it. 40lbs plus.
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/24 09:35:05 (permalink)
    It wasn't caught in Beaver run, theres only Channels and bullheads in there.
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/30 00:11:30 (permalink)
    As a member of the westm'd cnty sportsmen's league I have been trying to get this open for over 15 yrs. The main reason that I won't quit is that I believe that it belongs to the rate paying public & not Mr. Kerr ,as he believes. We were close to getting it open, with the county & pfc working together,however that fell through due to politics.The main issue then was deed restrictions,now that that was questioned they moved on to other reasons that we also answered. Before the elections I presented the County Comm. with petitions with over 3000 names & asked them to do (the right thing) as Comm. Ceraso was so fond of saying before the election.After the election they dropped the subject. btw I asked the head of the park police if they patroled it,he stated that they do not,that the water auth. has thier own patrolmen. sometimes the county will chase people off of the bridges for safety reasons.I guess because it is a county road.I am surprised how many people that consider themselves sportsmen actualy brag about being a lawbreaker when fishing there & then trying to justify it because they don't litter & that they practice c&r. I was very dissapointed when one guy told me that he didn't want it opened because he takes his young sons there & liked it the way it is. I asked him if he thought that was the way to teach his son the right way to do things,he just walked away.I am still pondering what the next step should be,maybe suing the Auth. & Comm. if we can get an attorneythat would do this pro bono.Any questions you can contact me at (spetrill607@comcast.net)   thanks  sam
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    RE: No Fishing at Beaver Run Resevior 2008/01/30 08:36:28 (permalink)
    mr. crappie,
    Not sure if this would work, but maybe get the news to go an investigation into it?  They seem to have a good time uncovering political things around election times.  It would be free, and maybe you can attract a law firm looking for free press?
     
    http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/call4action/index.html
     
     
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