troutguy
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Seriously people
I was going to post this a while back but didn't get to doing it, but then just last week I came across a similar act and now I just have to post. I see this way too often on this specific waterway and a nearby one. It is not hard to tell the difference between a bowfin and a snakehead, and if you do know the difference yet still do this then you shouldn't be allowed to fish, or do anything for that matter. Last week I came across a dead bullhead on the bank. And it's not like it died from natural causes and just washed up on shore, it was a good 10ft from the water. I've seen other fish(even "gamefish") mistreated at this place though. People just letting the fish flop around on the cement and rocks and whatnot. Just had to let it out. I don't get people who just throw fish on the bank. I know people do this on lake Erie with drum too. It makes more sense to kill a steelhead or some other non native fish. Sick.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 14:32:28
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+1 the senseless killing of fish also the blatant disrespect of nature from these outdoorsman around PA lakes, pop cans, beer, plastic bags, bait containers everywhere. It's not that hard to clean up after yourself.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 14:46:56
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i came across a guy with that sort of attitude towards bowfin on french creek a few years back. he said he wanted to catch a bowfin just so he could kill it. it was an uncomfortable situation
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 15:12:40
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A Lot of idiots out there that ruin it for everyone !
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troutguy
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 15:12:53
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It just really irritates me, as it does nothing but harm to the fishery and is just flat out stupid/pointless. And I agree TheBlueLagoon. For a project for school I actually decided to do litter pickup along some of the lakes/rivers I frequent because of all the trash. Well a week after a couple of friends and I cleaned up a small section of river, the trash came back(as expected). People are just slobs. And Accountant, that's just messed up.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 15:43:30
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I've seen it in hunting season too. Mostly with the early goose season. People will shot the geese and let them lay in the fields. I've come across places this year too where people cleaned their fish and let the caucuses lay on the banks.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 16:01:02
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People just don't give a #hit...I've hunted out west and your 10 miles deep in the mountains and you look down and see an old pop can and some other garbage that some stupid slob left behind for guys like us to pick up and put it in our pack to carry out.....
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 17:47:29
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Jagoffs I tell ya... I saw some **** stab a channel cat at Pymatuning that he caught after he got poked by the fin spine and threw it in the water via pliers that were still stabbed into the poor fish... I wanted to say hey buddy it's not the fishes fault your a moron and got poked maybe I should stab your worthless arse and throw you in... I wanted to thump him but I would have been the bad guy. ... Even calling 911 for them to notify a WCO would have been to late because he left not even 5 minutes after the fact... Ugh and the garbage... Being from Greensburg/Jeannette area I know all too well just seeing it laying in the streets right in front of homes etc... Plus Twin Lakes and Mammoth may as well be garbage dumps instead of parks...
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/05 19:28:08
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if u kill jus to kill(goes with hunting and fishing) then u are no sporstman more like a murderer in my book....good post troutguy
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/06 17:16:21
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so why dont you start a save the bowfin organization? seriously **** these fish
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troutguy
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/06 19:37:38
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Really??? I'm actually surprised, even though I don't know you I have pretty much come to the assumption you are a pretty good, well-natured fisherman from reading posts on here. #1...the killing/wasting of ANY fish(especially native, non-invasive species) for no reason is just wrong(as many on here would agree). What if I caught a musky and just tossed it on the bank to die? Or a bass? Or a sucker? You get the point. Now an asian carp or a snakehead would be a different story. #2...bowfin cause no harm to the fishery. In fact they were here much longer than pretty much any other gamefish. I'm not trying to start a whole "save the bowfin(or insert whatever other species)" thing, but I(and a lot of other fishermen who care about our fisheries) get irratated at the pointless killing of native fish that are supposed to be here and don't cause any harm. Does nothing to help a fishery, and even though the killing of one or two fish won't destroy the population(obviously, most of us keep some fish here and there), it's just flat out wrong imounless of course you are putting it to good use, ex. for food. Like I mentioned, this also happens with bullhead, drum, and I'm sure other native fish. And as other people said it happens in hunting also. People are uneducated, or just don't care. I think it's both.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/10 04:30:03
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I killed a half dozen Saturday, threw em in the brush
Oops I thought this was the woodchuck hunting forum
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/10 16:02:52
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I am so glad my Dad instilled good etiquette in me when it came to killing things i dont eat whether was fishing or hunting. Even when I was a small boy fishing with him if he or I saw trash in our wilds, he'd tell me to pick it up....lol. At 1st I was like why?? Its not ours, then a lecture would ensue and id be picking up the trash. :)
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/10 16:11:12
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+1 on that gymi. A little respect goes a long way.
"If you ever get hit with a bucket of fish, be sure to close your eyes." ><)))*>
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/10 17:46:09
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wade alexander so why dont you start a save the bowfin organization? seriously **** these fish And this, boys and girls, is what happens when your mom is your sister.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/10 20:26:37
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That's sick. Honestly, why do they have a bad reputation? They're bigger than a bass, they fight harder than a bass... yet so many ppl hate them. You can say they smell... but so do muskies...
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/10 21:10:45
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gymi03 I am so glad my Dad instilled good etiquette in me when it came to killing things i dont eat whether was fishing or hunting. Even when I was a small boy fishing with him if he or I saw trash in our wilds, he'd tell me to pick it up....lol. At 1st I was like why?? Its not ours, then a lecture would ensue and id be picking up the trash. :) BoroMusky That's sick. Honestly, why do they have a bad reputation? They're bigger than a bass, they fight harder than a bass... yet so many ppl hate them. You can say they smell... but so do muskies... Never caught a bowfin but seen one hooked and fought and would love to try it sometime lol... And touche about the muskies Boro...
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/13 13:30:00
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Doesn't surprise me reading these post's about others, and what they do to the fish. What a shame....also with the trash all over the water. Glad I have a boat so I don't have to be around other people, and see that kind of filth. Keep on fishing guys!
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/13 14:35:02
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Glad I have a boat so I don't have to be around other people, and see that kind of filth. Yeah, it's a good thing that nobody else has a boat.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/13 16:50:04
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Fenwayer: Yyou need to come to Shenango and fish for a day. You'll see all kinds iof containers and plastic bottles floating in the water along with other junk. It's especially bad on Monday morning after the weekend crowd gets done, they're trash goes over the side.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/20 13:40:42
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Re:Seriously people
2013/06/20 13:42:42
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wade alexander
so why dont you start a save the bowfin organization?
seriously **** these fish
What a loser. Go start your own fish kill board, jackwagon!
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/05 16:34:06
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The wanton and wasteful killling of natural, native fish species [or any species] is often based on prejudice and hatred. As one example, northern pike are revered as a gamefish in many parts of America while they are mutilated and left to die in parts of Canada. I won't even bother to go into the reasoning that I've heard. That's only one example. People display their ignorance by their actions and beliefs. Re: the freshwater drum on Lake Erie, I 've witnessed that before too and got the answer that the people were "trying to control their numbers because all they do is silt up the bottom and ruin potential future fish populations and besides that, they're ugly!". I'm stopping with what little I wrote because some people demonstrate their stupidity every time they open their mouth and the best part about it is that they are too stupid to know it.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/05 18:54:05
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fish5000 Re: the freshwater drum on Lake Erie, I 've witnessed that before too and got the answer that the people were "trying to control their numbers because all they do is silt up the bottom and ruin potential future fish populations and besides that, they're ugly!". I wish an excuse like that worked for some people too...these idiots are the same people that like to get high and mighty about conservation when it suits them too.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/06 10:27:33
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My girlfriend and I were out Yesterday (7/5) fishing at Woodcock and my girlfriend ended up hooking and landing one a bowfin, and some guy had the nerve to say we should take a knife and drive it into it's skull and throw it in the bushes... Saying it's an Invasive Species like the Snakehead and does too much harm and there's too high of a population. I said buddy it's a Bowfin and it's to be released like every other native species in the state unless you are within rights to take it. He was pretty ****ed when I said I'm putting it back and he shot back with "Well if it makes you feel better to throw it back when it shouldn't be there then by all means." I replied I do what I'm supposed to within the law set by the PFBC if you have a problem take it up with them." He scoffed and said fine but I know they are bad... I seriously don't understand how miss informed or ignorant people can be...
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troutguy
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/07 15:45:44
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^Way too many people like that out there. Sad. I wonder how many people actually keep bowfin to eat. I'd imagine it's VERY few, and if so I wonder if the PFBC could just put a no kill regulation on them? Not trying to be a bowfin treehugger, but there's just too many people out there killing fish(not just bowfin, as said by others) for no reason. I wonder if maybe putting up signs informing people about bowfin and how they are a native species, don't hurt other fish populations, etc. would help?
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/12 06:29:59
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Ignorance will always reign in matters such as... I've seen people poked by catfish drive pliers into them twist and throw back... I can't stand people... One thing signage may do is help some but, I think people doing their part educating themselves and passing on knowledge as well as some responsible angler characteristics would be best... Oh and if the PFBC wasn't stretched so thin may help a bit as well...
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/16 13:42:03
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Bowfin are a "Candidate Species" State wide, that means they have the potential to end up on the"threatened" list. It is recommended by the PAFB to release all bowfin. Check out their website, it clearly states that. Bowfin are native to PA and most of the eastern US and Canada. They should not be just killed because people consider them a trash fish. There is no room for that kind of mentality in the outdoors. Sure you want to remove "problem" non native species, that is actually recommended. But don't kill something just to kill it or cause it could eat your favorite target fish species. Check out my article in the August issue of the PAOJ, it's on bowfin fishing in western Pa and proper identification between a bowfin and a snakehead. We have a very solid population of bowfins here in western pa, but statewide the population is not that strong. That is why they have the "Candidate" classification. As Spoonie always says "Get Informed" !
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Re:Seriously people
2013/07/17 09:09:34
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Retrieved from the PAFBC website: This section cited in 7 Pa. Code § 128.102 (relating to protected designated areas). § 75.3. Candidate species. (a) General. The species listed in subsections (b) and (c) are considered candidate species which could achieve endangered or threatened status in the future. They are subject to seasons, size, creel—bag—and possession limits specified in this subpart. A person who catches these species is encouraged to release them immediately and unharmed to the waters or other area from which they were taken. (b) Fishes. (3) Bowfin, Amia calva.
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Re:Seriously people
2013/08/24 20:39:20
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In a related note to this good thread that troutguy started, in the recent past there has been a movement to eradicate Lionfish in Florida and Snakeheads in Virginia. As many of you know, both are invasive species and their populations are exploding, causing havoc with the established natural order. The good thing about it though is that they aren't being wantonly killed. Both, fortunately, are delicious and are being served at local restaurants. Both fish live in the waters of other states, but these are the only two states that I'm aware of that are offering them on the menu. Back a number of years ago, there was a fishing contest that ran for a few consecutive years at Pyme, the Carp-A-Thon. One of the main guys that was largely responsible for the program couldn't do it anymore and nobody else was willing to take on the project, so it ended. From what I've been told, the carp were all hauled off to some guy that turned them into hog feed.
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