River muskie setup

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2013/03/02 11:15:11 (permalink)

River muskie setup

A question about the setups for muskies on the rivers like upper shenango and french creek.
What are your preferences spinning or casting? I am thinking about a spinning outfit but not sure about what a good spinning reel for muskies would be. Thanks for your thoughts
 
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    anzomcik
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/02 12:21:07 (permalink)
    This answer goes with just about every place a person would musky fish. If your planning on throwing baits all day you will be very unhappy with a spinning set up.
     
    Casting reels are in almost every situation the best way to go. With todays reels the excuse of "to many backlashes" is no longer valid, it is now almost seen as lazy to use that excuse. The advantages of casting so far outweigh spinning, I encourage when buying new gear to look at only casting if buying strickly for musky fishing with artifical baits. 
     
    If your fishing with live bait, then a spinning setup will do just fine. Be sure to have good strong braided line 30lb absolute min. 50+lb line is better IMO, a good quality leader and quick strike rig to reduce deeply hooked fish that have a low rate of suvivoral.
     
    A big challange for people to enter the sport of musky fishing is the cost of good quality gear, for a good casting set up on a budget your looking at about $250. Yes you can fish with lesser priced equiptment but at sometime when fishing you will find that it would have been ahead of the game to buy quality once than lesser quality twice
     
     
    post edited by anzomcik - 2013/03/02 12:32:43
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/03 15:27:38 (permalink)
    Baitcast reels for musky lures, 50lbs + line. We all had to go through our backlashes while learning. 
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/03 19:45:29 (permalink)
    I'm not new to fishing muskies, I was just thinking that maybe a heavier spinning setup would work for the the smaller rivers up north.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/03 20:42:08 (permalink)
    Not really sure what your looking for here. A musky is a musky, weather its in LOTW or in a tiny stream. I personally wouldnt down size my musky gear just because I am fishing smaller water.
     
    But sure a heavy spinning rod would work in smaller rivers, also it will work the same if you were in georgian bay.
     
    Am i missing somthing from the question? (im serious when i ask that)
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 11:10:47 (permalink)
    The only plus I see for spinning reels is below freezing air temps with heavy mono because you are less likely to soak your hands.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 12:41:43 (permalink)
    Lure retriever!! Most important piece of equipment you can own while fishing in "loggy" waters. A $40 lure lost can ruin an entire trip. We made our own and it works great. Has easily saved us over $500.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 13:42:27 (permalink)
    i concur.
    Baitcaster all the way. Pepper that downed wood all day with big flashy baits.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 15:12:34 (permalink)
    My thoughts were that a heavier spin outfit would work because you might not have much casting room in some tight spots, be able to stop that 40 buck plug from ending up in a tree much quicker, and make better pin point casts...thats all...I'm a baitcaster all the way...just thought some might use heavier spin outfits in the rivers from shore.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 16:42:38 (permalink)
    baitcasters win in every scenario you brought up though man.
    have you ever tried to throw a jerkbait with a spinning setup let alone make it function correctly?
    if your just using small mepps bucktails,jigs, rattle traps,ect... lures under two ounces then spinning gear would probably work just fine.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 16:44:27 (permalink)
    i fish the shenango for muskie with a spinning rod, i use a 7' ugly stick lite pro medium action rod pfluger president reel spolled with 30lb spiderwire stealth braid with a 18 inch 65 lb spiderwire stealth braid leader, however i use live bait, 5-9 inch chubs and suckers form a nearby trib, i use this same  set up for cats to, never lost a fish from the line brakeing
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 16:45:38 (permalink)
    I fished muskies for 42 yrs in western NY and western PA.,  casting and trolling, mostly Chautauqua lake because I live here. The rivers mentioned I am not familiar with. Spinning gear does have it's place in muskie fishing. IMO it's the best choice for fishing jigs/reapers, lizards, or pork, 1/2 to 3/4 oz. jig heads, dressed or undressed. Lakes or rivers, anywhere jigs are a good choice,  what you want is a spinning rod  about 7 ft long rated for 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz lures. I prefer mono, 15 lb maxima ultra green for fishing jigs. Jigs are great muskie lures especially for cold water. Some rivers are well suited to fishing jigs, some aren't. Along weed lines, around rock piles, drop offs, etc. spinning gear, jigs will work.
     
    Bait casting is the way to go for all  other casting applications. Rivers with a lot of brush where you're going to be fishing a lot of surface or shallow running stuff,  most definitely bait casting. This reply is kind of long winded. To sum it all up: Spinning only for fishing jigs. Bait casting for everything else; surface, jerks, glides, twitch baits, bucktails, soft plastic swim baits, etc. If you can afford only one rig for casting for muskies, definitely get a decent quality bait casting outfit. $300, maybe a bit more will get you there.
     
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/04 17:51:04 (permalink)
    You can pick up the new Daiwa Lexa for around 160 online very smoothe rare backlashing and 24 pound drag and large line capacity for low profile baitcaster. For the baits I use the st. croix x-heavy bass mojo is fine and only costs 100 bucks
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/05 13:02:15 (permalink)
    If you're looking at winter fishing the rivers, which I would imagine you are, a spinning rig with 17lb mono is the only way to go.  The eyes on baitcasting rods are too small and will freeze up causing you to waste half your time busting the ice out of them.  Braid also freezes and any mono I've tried over 17lb is too stiff.
     
    I started years ago using a 7' rod but quickly came to the conclusion that it was too long, 6-6 1/2' is much better, preferably a heavy action with a long handle you can tuck under your arm to help with jerkbaits.  There is no problem using jerkbaits with a spinning rod as long as it's a nice heavy action.  Ugly stick saltwater rods work well.  The longer rods are tougher to cast in confined areas, give up too much leverage and are harder to use jerking from shore because you're not up above the water like in a boat.  When you're actually in the water the effect is even worse.
     
    Okuma makes some pretty nice spinning reels for the money, pick one with a large capacity so you can get a lot of line on it.  A good drag is critical because it needs to be set so that you can get a good hookset but will let line out without breaking.  Cheap reels many times have drags that stick somewhat then smooth out (especially in the cold weather) which puts too much shock on your line.
     
    You can use a baitcasting setup if it's above freezing but below that it's almost impossible.  You received some pretty good advice here for fishing 8 or 9 months out of the year but anyone telling you to use a baitcaster this time of the year hasn't done any winter fishing.  Another big advantage to the spinning gear, as was mentioned by another poster, is the ability to throw lighter lures.  I rarely throw anything larger than 6" in the winter and using something like a Rapala is almost impossible with a baitcaster.  Even if you can get it to work you will throw it twice as far with a spinning rod.
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    anzomcik
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/05 14:07:35 (permalink)
    I fish rivers in the winter, I use a bait caster. Never used a spinning rod in the winter. I have fished in temps as low as 12 degrees. In fact I got my PB that trip. All of my friends that winter fish use bait casters, so some people do use casting gear in the winter and have success
     
    Fact is reguardless of what you use in below frezing things will get frozen when dealing with water.
    Also what works great for myself might not work well for someone else. If you want to use spinning gear, by all means use it. Same goes for casting gear. No one can tell you what wouyld be best for you, I can only say what works for me from my experence.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/05 23:26:24 (permalink)
    You could fish them with a cane pole too but it's certainly not the most efficient way of doing it.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/05 23:28:35 (permalink)
    We are Penn Reel spinner users. Not knocking the baitcasters just stuck on what works for us. The older 4400 Penn spinning reel has landed and handled all large fish from Muskies to Niagara Lakers to those mean Hybrid Stripers. I'll admit repeat casting does take it's toll with the heavier reel so we step down to the 4300 also. The drag is the most important issue with large fish and the Penn's have never failed. Very easy to get parts and it's made in our state. I'm ready to try baitcasters just for the faster retrieve ratio but I've yet to buy one. Too old school I guess.
    Oh I forgot.............Mario's on the board already 40" Musky caught and released several weeks ago.........lower Shenango River....very healthy fish on a stick bait !
    post edited by CAPTAIN HOOK - 2013/03/05 23:37:59
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/06 21:11:18 (permalink)
    I'm going for a musky this year, but I'm not just targeting musky alone. If I catch one, I catch one; if I don't, I don't. I'll be hitting Pymy and the Shenango River. I bought a cheap med. heavy spinning combo for $50 and I spooled it with 50# green power pro braided line. I'm going to use chubs at both lakes and rivers. I'm just going to play around with it and see what happens. 
     
    A friend of mine told me to use bass fishing gear in the spring and into summer and then use Musky gear from late summer into the Fall. I'm not planning on fishing for them at that time of the year,so I'm not going to buy the larger stuff, unless of course I get into it, then I will. 
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/06 21:22:12 (permalink)
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    I'm going for a musky this year, but I'm not just targeting musky alone. If I catch one, I catch one; if I don't, I don't. I'll be hitting Pymy and the Shenango River. I bought a cheap med. heavy spinning combo for $50 and I spooled it with 50# green power pro braided line. I'm going to use chubs at both lakes and rivers. I'm just going to play around with it and see what happens. 

    A friend of mine told me to use bass fishing gear in the spring and into summer and then use Musky gear from late summer into the Fall. I'm not planning on fishing for them at that time of the year,so I'm not going to buy the larger stuff, unless of course I get into it, then I will. 

     
    Good deal, but to warn you part time musky angling can lead to a very expensive habbit, I guess its like cocaine one good trip and your hooked for life (never done drugs but from what I hear its like that).
     
    You may at first be in denile, until you look at your gear and see half dozen rod and reel combos that equal the cost of 4 mortgage payment, the lightest line is 65lb and the lightest bait is 4oz, and you have thousands of dollars of tackle sitting in your basement,garage,truck... and use only the 8 in your tackle box that sitting in the boat.
     
    Rig those chubbs with a treble hook or two and give the fish a 10 count and drive home the hooks. Use a leader, I cringe at the use of chain store cheap leaders, but if thats all you got its better than nothing (Yes, it is better than no leader at all. Strait braid isnt a substitute for a leader, its worse than strait mono).
     
    Good luck!

    post edited by anzomcik - 2013/03/06 21:23:36
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/07 06:10:36 (permalink)
    Guys I fish the Susky river in Central Pa. I have caught many muskies on 8lb and 10lb test. I just use a simple 7ft rod with a spinning reel(I wade). I don't mess with any leaders, fish won't bite with them on. A 6 dollar husky jerk HJ14 works most of the time. No need to spend a ton of money. Keep it simple and put your time in.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/07 06:32:21 (permalink)
    Is your recommendation to anyone who is looking at targeting musky is to use a set up similiar to yours (8lb test, 7' spinning, no leader and a husky jerk)?
     
    From the areas I fish I talk to many walleye guys who land musky with there gear, in fact I help land some of those fish. So I will agree that the set up you described will land an musky. I believe most will agree that musky gear for targeting musky should be more robust than the average bass and walleye gear.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/07 08:34:44 (permalink)
    Targeting muskies with walleye/bass spinning gear and 8 lb line is just plain ridiculous. Sure, you can land, catch them on tackle this light but why do it?  Used to fish smallmouths, walleyes at Chautauqua some, especially in the fall, with light tackle and 8 lb mono. Caught some nice muskies doing this including a couple fat, fall 46 inchers, estimated at 25 or 26 lbs. on baby thunder sticks. It takes forever to  land fish this size on light bass/walleye tackle and not good for muskies intended to be released.
    Muskies definitely will take small 3 to 5 inch bass/walleye lures. My all time favorite trolling lure for Chautauqua muskies is a J-13 rapala, barely 5" long, modified with 3/0, 2/0 VMC double hooks replacing the small rings and trebles that come on the lure.
     
     
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/07 14:30:31 (permalink)
    I am not a musky fisherman. Down here I am fishing for smallies and eyes. But I can't help it if they bite my lure. I have never kept or killed one either. I was just trying to express my opinion on river musky fishing. I guess musky guys are just like bass guys. Spend lots of money even though it is not necessary. Down here bass guys use 20 or 25lb test to catch 1 and 2lb bass!  I didn't mean to offend anyone. This post is titled river musky set up and thats what works for me on the Susquehanna River.
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    Re:River muskie setup 2013/03/07 17:00:24 (permalink)
    NoPlace, I never said your setup was incorrect. But the difference is this thread was talking about a musky specific setup. You just said your a bass and walleye guy that gets the suprize musky. So you have gear that is set up for bass and walleye. The OP was talking musky, not an all around combo, thats why I asked if your setup was a recommendation to target musky.
     
    I believe we are on the same page with our thinking, and if you were refering to myself as the one taking offence, turely I feel there isnt anything that was offensive in your post  
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