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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 20:13:09 (permalink)
I don't know about smelt (never seen one there) but I did see some dead gizzard shad. I just figured that's what they were.

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 20:13:44 (permalink)
Where is that if ya don't mind me asking? Pm if needed. Ty

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 20:17:40 (permalink)
Yeah there's a lot of gizzard shad in the lake(big ones too), I just never heard of there being any smelt until I read this thread. 
 
NeFiShNeTiMe, if your asking where Pymy(Pymatuning) is at, it is in crawford county.  Along the OH/PA border.
post edited by troutguy - 2013/01/28 20:18:51
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 20:38:23 (permalink)
No smelt in Pymy...
 

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 21:17:08 (permalink)
The ones i saw caught off the dock area just last fall were definately smelts. I've caught a lot of them in PI bay and conneaut, oh to know what i saw. Spot tails dont look like them in shape or markings.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 21:25:18 (permalink)
Yeah, spot tails don't look a lot like smelt, but compared to all the other fish in the lake they would definitely be the next closest.  Did you inform the PFBC about this?  I just find it weird I have never ever caught, heard, or read of them being in the lake, and not even one showed up in any of the trapnettings, electrofishing, etc.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/28 22:16:05 (permalink)
Smelt are a cold water fish...I wouldn't imagine they'd thrive in the shallow water of Pymy...even the deeper water near the dam would get nearly 70* in the summer.  Not doubting you Chaunc...just seems strange.

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 07:10:00 (permalink)
Cant explain how they got there or how they survived the warm water but the next time i see one caught, i'll be sure to take a picture to post here. It's not like i saw a bucketfull being caught. Just a couple by a kid and his dad fishing the jimtown docks and the one that i caught there that same day.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 08:28:44 (permalink)
NeFiShNeTiMe

Where is that if ya don't mind me asking? Pm if needed. Ty


Who was this intended for? If you are asking where I saw the gizzard shad, they were at the Jamestown marina. I fished there and off of the Jamestown Beach #1.

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 10:34:28 (permalink)
Icefisherman52..7-8 inches of ice... Was wondering where at?

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 12:33:08 (permalink)
Why can't the crappie fishing be like this on pyme?  
http://youtu.be/hLdSOwUSCow
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 13:05:28 (permalink)
NeFiShNeTiMe

Icefisherman52..7-8 inches of ice... Was wondering where at?


Had a measured 5 inches this morning at Jimtown launch this morning.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 13:49:22 (permalink)
That would be Kyle lake right off I80 near DuBois and Sunday I was on Curwensville lake and measured 7 inches. I would say by Sat it will be down to 5 but that's still good.
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Crappie on Pymy.... 2013/01/29 14:13:54 (permalink)
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Why can't the crappie fishing be like this on pyme?  
http://youtu.be/hLdSOwUSCow


It can be...........of course not everyday, but I have had days catching some "nice slabs"!
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 14:59:56 (permalink)
The smelt thing had me intrigued,so I emailed M.r Timothy Wilson who is the fisheries biologist for PA disctrict 1 which includes Pymatuning. This was his response.
 
Thanks for your questions. This is the second instance of someone telling me they were catching rainbow smelt in Pymatuning Reservoir this year. I will answer your questions in the order they were asked.
 
1. Rainbow smelt are a coldwater fish and should not be able to survive a typical summer in Pymatuning Reservoir. The only inland waters in Pennsylvania that can support naturally reproducing smelt populations are large reservoirs that thermally stratify in summer and maintain cold oxygenated water below the thermocline. Pymatuning Reservoir does thermally stratify in summer, however, the depths below the thermocline quickly go anoxic and are unable to support fish life as dissolved oxygen levels fall to near zero.
 
2. In 30+ years of sampling in Pymatuning Reservoir and Pymatuning Sanctuary not a single rainbow smelt has ever been observed. So, I think it is highly unlikely that these fish are rainbow smelt. However, when it comes to biology, I have learned to ‘never say never’. ‘Bait Bucket Biologists’ continually move fish around Pennsylvania hoping to improve the fishing in their waters. It is illegal and normally has many negative unintended consequences. Therefore, it is theoretically possible that some smelt were introduced and survived to be caught, but I doubt it. More likely, the anglers are misidentifying these fish. To be 100% certain, I would have to see a good quality photograph.
 
3. In reviewing the historic catch data from Pymatuning, I looked for other species of fish that look similar to smelt. The best candidates would be spottail shiners or brook silversides, both of which occur in great abundance in Pymatuning and in Presque Isle Bay. Both species are key components of the forage base in Pymatuning, along with gizzard shad. The key defining characteristics between the three species is that the spottail shiners have a black spot at the base of the tail fin (hence the name spottail) and the rainbow smelt don’t. The rainbow smelt have teeth. Neither the brook silverside nor the spottail shiner has teeth. I doubt they were brook silversides because their mouth is so small that I can’t imagine them being caught by hook and line. So my guess is that they were catching spottail shiners.
 
Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or have a picture of these fish.
 
Sincerely,
 
Timothy A. Wilson
Fisheries Biologist
Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission
13240 Hartstown Road
Linesville, PA 16424
814-683-1036
 
So if anybody catches what they think is a smelt again try to take a good quality picture of it. Mr Wilson would love to see it.
 
 
 
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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 17:16:13 (permalink)
^^ good post duud

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/29 18:49:19 (permalink)
I bet I've watched that vid 10 times now. It's worth watching more than once. lol. I have some of those Lake Fork Trophy shad too. Never caught a fish on them though.

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/30 16:44:01 (permalink)
Well did the ice make it or can we get the boat out?

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Re:pymy ice 2013/01/31 18:28:11 (permalink)
Caught 40 nice smelt in pymy today
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 05:36:04 (permalink)
Fish whisper...Hope you followed orders. ( see below) 
"They were Smelt  we caught last fall Chauncy."     
 
 
Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or have a picture of these fish.

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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 06:56:51 (permalink)
Well is there ice on pyma still?

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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 07:00:35 (permalink)
Hey Icefisherman52 just wandering if kyle is still all froze up
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 07:03:41 (permalink)
Just found out pyma lost all ice

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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 08:48:34 (permalink)
fish whisper

Caught 40 nice smelt in pymy today


This post is useless without pictures.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 09:08:38 (permalink)
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Hey Icefisherman52 just wandering if kyle is still all froze up

I think it still is but will check it out today and get back to you.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 09:42:45 (permalink)
That would be great Icefisherman52 this is the first weekend my boy has nothing going on and he really wants to get out
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/01 22:29:21 (permalink)
Well I dropped my camera down the hole by mistake
chauncy

fish whisper

Caught 40 nice smelt in pymy today


This post is useless without pictures.


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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/02 07:57:08 (permalink)
Road Runner

That would be great Icefisherman52 this is the first weekend my boy has nothing going on and he really wants to get out

The edges were soft yesterday but after a night of 0 it should be good now.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/02 08:07:20 (permalink)
Thanks a lot Icefisherman52.  We will probably head out that way Sunday morning.
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Re:pymy ice 2013/02/02 10:34:04 (permalink)
Road Runner

Thanks a lot Icefisherman52.  We will probably head out that way Sunday morning.

YW, I might head out myself for a while tomorrow, maybe see you out there.
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