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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 23:30:42
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I honestly don't blame a lot of the landowners for locking out the hordes that show up every fall. But it's exactly those "hordes" who buy licenses that pay for the stocking of the fish in the first place. It all goes back to that, doesn't it?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 08:05:28
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I honestly don't blame a lot of the landowners for locking out the hordes that show up every fall.
But it's exactly those "hordes" who buy licenses that pay for the stocking of the fish in the first place. It all goes back to that, doesn't it?
Many of these landowners weren't exactly begging for the fish to be put there in the first place. It's a catch 22. Without the crowds and interest in steelheading, the fish wouldn't be there in the numbers that drive so many people to go. Look at how many guys throw the towel in for the season when they aren't racking up big numbers. The PFBC put themselves in this position. They knew the crowding problems that came along with the salmon fishery. When it was determined that steelhead were the better option, a plan should've been put in place immediately to secure right-of-ways and access. To my knowledge, that was never done until it was far too late and they are now dealing with the consequences. Many of these property owners never asked for these fish to swim into their backyards. Imagine buying a house in a largely rural area and having your neighborhood (or even worse, your yard) look like a mall parking lot for 4-5 months out of the year. Put yourself in their shoes. I don't have an issue with them posting their land. There are inconsiderate people that ruin a good thing for everybody in all facets of life. That's just the way it goes. Again, the issue is that a landowners and businesses are excluding the public from a resource that was publicly funded to turn a profit. Go ahead and post your land, but if you wanna make money by pimping the resource, then it should be fair game for everyone. If the PFBC could ever figure out how to get these fish to imprint better, and actually get a larger percentage of them to come back to PA, it would be worthwhile to talk about stocking less (gasp!) and diverting those funds to more access. Just a thought, and probably a far fetched one at that...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 10:57:55
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ahhh...but I think it is. Well then you're wrong. Or completely missing the thrust of the conversation. It's has nothing to do with people "whining" about a lack of fish or places to fish. You're the only one that's tried to make it about that. It's about a guy with deep pockets and influence throwing his weight around to keep the public away from a resource that it paid for, all the while using that same resource to turn a tidy profit for himself. I didn't really think that had to be spelled out, but apparently it did. Attitudes like yours, expressing a complete lack of concern for anything beyond your immediate, personal gratification, are a big part of the problem, and many other conservation problems. If you're tried of complaining, why are you still posting here? Either you don't mind it, or you just threw that in without really meaning it. This site is full of rants, complaints, objections, and concerns. Many of these landowners weren't exactly begging for the fish to be put there in the first place.
It's a catch 22. Without the crowds and interest in steelheading, the fish wouldn't be there in the numbers that drive so many people to go. To me, it's pretty clear, but they'll never do it. Separate the fish from the property, and tie the fish to access instead. If you post your section of stream, the owners & residents of that property are the only ones allowed to fish there, period. The fish are a public resource, and if a landowner prohibits the public from accessing that resource on their ground, they cannot then privatize that resource by then granting access to others; it's all or nothing.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 11:34:21
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Good idea Cold, but totally unenforceable or at best extremely difficult to enforce.
How 'bout we just quit stocking slimers and put that money towards some kind of fish, walleye maybe, that you can actually eat that dwells in the lake where everyone can get to them. Then spend some of the money to develop better marina access... (he said tongue firmly in cheek)
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 12:26:23
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Oh I know it's unenforceable, but that's about the only thing that'd work.
I know that comment was tongue in cheek, but honestly you'd lose the vast majority of the funding base, as anybody without a boat would stop buying an Erie stamp. For my own fishing, without a boat and with no desire to set foot in a big water fishing boat, I'd just never fish up there again.
I think in that situation, the price of an Erie stamp would increase by at least 2x, if not 4-5x.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 12:32:36
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Sad thing is that there probably isn't going to be any change in the way things are, there will always be folks out there with money that will pay the price to fish private land.
Maybe the state should take over a right of way along all streams across the state. The Clarion River is an example, the power company retains a right of way along the entire stretch of the impoundment based on elevation. They have, in recent years, turned that over to the fish comm to manage. The right of way is there to prevent folks from building within the flood plane and limiting their right to sue the power company for damages from high water...
Other than that, guys just need to suck it up and enjoy the resource that's available to them and continue to encourage acquisition of additional easements...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 13:38:27
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Cold Oh I know it's unenforceable, but that's about the only thing that'd work. I think it's pretty simple really; It's the insane numbers of fish PA stocks in small streams that creates the whole mess going on today. Just reduce stocking to the point where you have to work really hard all day to catch a couple fish or maybe even sometimes get skunked. The cost of the stocking program would probably be reduced by about the amount of people who would stop buying an Erie stamp, and it would be pretty hard to maintain a guide business on private land if the clients can't land 25 fish a day. This would keep most of the unsavory characters who don't respect the fishery or land from comming, give more elbow room to everyone, open back up private land because the guides won't pay big money for something they can get anywhere in the great lakes region, and it will just provide a much better all around experience for the real fisherman / outdoorsman IMO.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 13:49:30
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Sorry I should have clarified... The new DB of ERIE as in throwing $$ around to take access from the public for his own financial gain and no... his flies are not "sweet" No, you're the DB of Erie By the way, his flies work quite well.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 14:08:26
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"as in throwing $$ around to take access from the public for his own financial gain"
Nope! "Throwing money around", to gain accesss that the "public" already screw ed THEMSELVES out of.
Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference. Step Up, or Step Aside The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody. GL
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/27 18:59:09
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From what i HEAR Senyo Or one of his employees are the ones that kept the guys from Project healing waters from fishing greens this year... If this is true you reap what you sew Greggy
I heard the exact same thing
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 00:56:24
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it will just provide a much better all around experience for the real fisherman / outdoorsman IMO. Implying that hardcore erie steelheaders are 'real fishermen/outdoorsmen' because of it.  Funny stuff! Which ones are more real: the stop sign hole warriors, the 16 mile shi*t shufflers, or the hardy outdoorsmen that brave the wilds of the Legion Hole?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 04:52:27
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I'm hunting the deer farm today, but I'm doing it with the flinch lock...am I warrior?
I agree with bulldog...stop the stocking, problem solved. One week of bikers puts more money in PA and Eries pockets than a whole season of slime.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 06:14:18
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well we all know its legal to float down the stream through this property but im pretty sure you cant fish while doing so. lets organize a few float throughs with the oars a splashing right through this prime piece of fishing real estate on a busy day. Whos up for it PM me if interested. Dont sit behind your computer screen and **** do something. We all paid for these fish and their holding in these waters during the prime part of the season because of the little pressure. **** THAT LETS DO SOMETHING
Great idea! Those that you disturb with your antics will have to stop fishing long enough to have a cigar, a nip of the good stuff from a silver flask, and perhaps a dry aged steak prepared by their guide -- all of which more than likely cost more than most make in a week -- all the while laughing about the schmucks that just floated through thinking they were going to change the economic balance of the world by making fools of themselves. Those with cash will always, always, lest I repeat it, always, be able to obtain and do things that those that don't never will. Time to get over it or try to make what they do so that one can become that side of the proverbial coin (and don't tell me that if suddenly you found yourself with the wherewithall to buy a huge chunk of stream that you would be down at Poor Richards handing out engraved invitations to the masses rather than buying No Trepassing posters).
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 09:46:38
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Cold
it will just provide a much better all around experience for the real fisherman / outdoorsman IMO.
Implying that hardcore erie steelheaders are 'real fishermen/outdoorsmen' because of it.
Funny stuff!
Your quoting my statement out of context.  I was implying that some real fishermen go to Erie and they would get a much better experience (ie. half the people who post here in these forums, people who pick up trash along the streams, and people who respect the outdoors). If you read my entire post; I was actually implying that a lot of these hardcore Erie steelheaders wouldn't be so hardcore if the numbers of fish weren't there to the point they are stacked up like cordwood, and if catch rates weren't much higher than anywhere else in the entire great lakes region. Cold
Which ones are more real: the stop sign hole warriors, the 16 mile shi*t shufflers, or the hardy outdoorsmen that brave the wilds of the Legion Hole?
The real ones are probably few and far between at any of those places.
post edited by SteelSlayer77 - 2012/12/28 09:49:13
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 10:22:56
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SteelSlayer77
I think it's pretty simple really; It's the insane numbers of fish PA stocks in small streams that creates the whole mess going on today.
Just reduce stocking to the point where you have to work really hard all day to catch a couple fish or maybe even sometimes get skunked. The cost of the stocking program would probably be reduced by about the amount of people who would stop buying an Erie stamp, and it would be pretty hard to maintain a guide business on private land if the clients can't land 25 fish a day. This would keep most of the unsavory characters who don't respect the fishery or land from comming, give more elbow room to everyone, open back up private land because the guides won't pay big money for something they can get anywhere in the great lakes region, and it will just provide a much better all around experience for the real fisherman / outdoorsman IMO. I agree with this post completely. It's the insane number of fish that make this such a huge attraction. I'm going to fish for Steelhead regardless. I can tell you there are a number of times I've fished Michigan and Wisconsin this year in search of Steel and have come back empty handed. I think of myself as a pretty fair fisherman who knows the water, feeding lanes, right flies and methods, etc. It's the same out west, where you can spend an entire day and one hook or two and one to the net is a good outing. I'm going to Wisconsin tomorrow and can not wait. Temps in the 20's and I know steelhead are in there. If I find 'em, I'll catch 'em. But ya gotta find 'em and that sometimes requires a ton of effort, especially in a dry year like we've had. I fish Erie at least once a year for Steelhead. I come and put up with insane amounts of fisherman because I know that I can hook and land more Steelhead in a day than I can in a week on any other steelhead river. I would be part of the thinning of the herd of fisherman coming to Erie - and that'd be ok. IMO Erie could use less fish, and less fishermen. But that's one guys opinion who's been fishing Erie for almost 20 years. Cheers, Mike.
post edited by ConMan - 2012/12/28 10:25:22
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 10:29:43
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william h
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I'm hunting the deer farm today, but I'm doing it with the flinch lock...am I warrior?
no warrior, just someone who likes to kill animals for pleasure under the guise of meat hunting.
Bill h
You find a problem with that ???? PETA has their own sight mabee go over there you'd fit right in.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 10:31:31
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The suggestion of open access isn't unenforceable. It's been the rule in New Zealand for a very long time, and it was also the norm to a lesser extent in Montana for many years. A major shift in society would probably be required to begin something like that in Pennsylvania though.
This question of public access isn't limited to the Erie tribs or even stocked waters. It's an ongoing social question that eventually is going to have to be resolved one way or the other.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 10:55:56
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Erie PA is completely different then other locations
It is a 100% manufactured fishery. The overwhelming majority relying on public funding.
With 95%+ of the water being on private property in residential locations and exteremly small watersheds.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 13:37:24
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william h
bingsbaits
william h
Mr.Slickfish
I'm hunting the deer farm today, but I'm doing it with the flinch lock...am I warrior?
no warrior, just someone who likes to kill animals for pleasure under the guise of meat hunting.
Bill h
You find a problem with that ????
yes bings... its what separates men from boys.
I'm sure this confuses you, just trust me on it.
Bill h
No confusion here, mabee some day when your nuts drop and you grow up you can join the menfolk and kill some critters for their meat and enjoy the he11 out of it...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 21:43:44
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No he Didnt? Let me guess, Willie buys his meat from a store that no poor defenseless little animals are injured.
BH
PS- Anyone know of a way to get the blood out of a yellow rope?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 21:46:25
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PS- Anyone know of a way to get the blood out of a yellow rope?
I've heard frack water will take the blood (and the yellow...and the metal ring...) right out of a rope.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 21:59:56
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/28 22:48:06
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The $$ the Pfbc offers for these easements is a joke, if they don't offer some serious coin nothing is going to change.
BINGO!
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/29 12:16:44
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Thanx COLD. I got sum property off of elk crk. I'm gonna get the drilling started right away.
BH
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/29 19:12:57
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william h
Mr.Slickfish
I'm hunting the deer farm today, but I'm doing it with the flinch lock...am I warrior?
no warrior, just someone who likes to kill animals for pleasure under the guise of meat hunting.
Bill h
Get this duud. I like your posts. I agree with you most of the time. You hold your own well on this board with facts to back things up. You have blown it this time...I enjoy killing and eating equally well. No "guise" here. I refuse to censor myself because you are less intelligent than me. I wont respond. God bless.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/29 20:25:27
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wow a rarity on these threads. props to ya Bill!
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/29 21:00:22
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I just took offense to the "stop stocking steelhead" comment lmao
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/30 02:04:06
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Senyo is worse than DB. He doesnt't have the financial prowess of Db, he has the connections of the local fisherie to influence. He likes to make it appear that he has the fisherie as a whole in his best interest. It's a guise. He likes to place phone calls, plead his innocence and make things appear as they are not. He likes to make things as he heard, not as is true. The Greene property...his involvement makes those people look horrible. He is a walking contradiction. The Greenes are great folks. The only reference to the truth comes from Senyo on that property. Senyo only tells what relieves the pressure on his business. He also accuses to make it better for him. He has the backing of several blowhards on here. They will defend him. They will invite him to events where Senyo's connections can benefit certain few. All blowhards. They don't even live in PA but they like to throw their pompous opinions around.
Greg, you falsely accused me, personally, of things I'd never do. I know certain members of that family...WELL. I'm no saint. You play the victim too well. It's time for guides like you to disappear. That property should be deemed nursery waters and the guiding should be stopped. That's the answer, in my opinion.
MO
And if you have a problem with this, GREG, call me. You have my number.
so save your breath I could not hear, I think I made it very clear...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/31 11:16:04
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Senyo is worse than DB. He doesnt't have the financial prowess of Db, he has the connections of the local fisherie to influence. He likes to make it appear that he has the fisherie as a whole in his best interest. It's a guise. He likes to place phone calls, plead his innocence and make things appear as they are not. He likes to make things as he heard, not as is true. The Greene property...his involvement makes those people look horrible. He is a walking contradiction. The Greenes are great folks. The only reference to the truth comes from Senyo on that property. Senyo only tells what relieves the pressure on his business. He also accuses to make it better for him. He has the backing of several blowhards on here. They will defend him. They will invite him to events where Senyo's connections can benefit certain few. All blowhards. They don't even live in PA but they like to throw their pompous opinions around.
Greg, you falsely accused me, personally, of things I'd never do. I know certain members of that family...WELL. I'm no saint. You play the victim too well. It's time for guides like you to disappear. That property should be deemed nursery waters and the guiding should be stopped. That's the answer, in my opinion.
MO
And if you have a problem with this, GREG, call me. You have my number.
I agree 100%
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/31 14:28:48
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I have mentioned this in the past, but why not spend money on fish barriers? The fish are not native to the area and the streams have been altered in order to help the fish get farther, why not restrict where the fish can go and setup man-made impediments to stop the fish? For instance, in Elk the PFBC could create some nice big waterfalls above and below posted land to stop the fish. They could net the fish from certain areas and move them past the posted property. If the PFBC posts a sign letting people know there are no fish in this stretch, that would allow the landowners to enjoy their land/stream and keep people out more than a no trespassing sign. In other words, in addition to the stocking of large numbers of fish, another problem is that man has helped this fish migrate farther into the streams and onto private property in the first place. I have no problem with private fishing clubs, but stock your own fish.
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