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is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/23 19:48:28
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Yep Sure is nice of all us fisherman paying for fish so they can have a private place to fish.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/23 20:12:04
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All signs pointing to yes.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/23 20:42:28
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Can someone fill me in a little please?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/23 22:52:43
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No....well potentially but I highly doubt it. Nowhere near the extent of Beaver. Is he stocking tons of pelletheads over wild fish? No. Is he making clients pay thousands to fish for the pelletheads on the private water? No. Does his company just happen to have access to private water on a river? Yes, but actually a lot of the guiding is on public water. Are they going to take over all the Erie tribs? No. And he does tie some sweet flies btw...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 00:19:35
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In my opinion a stream should be allowed fished by anyone who stays in the water, I understand not being allowed to step foot on land if it is posted. Kinda like a road, taxpayers pay for the roads and have access to all of them, step foot into someones yard that is posted and your at fault. I personally would like to see it opened maybe as a delayed harvest fly fishing only, catch and release only...something along these lines. It will never happen though, greed.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 08:49:12
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"I personally would like to see it opened maybe as a delayed harvest fly fishing only, catch and release only...something along these lines. It will never happen though, greed."
I would hope that we never see a fly fishing only section on the tribs. I think the drive needs to be providing public access as a whole. Special regs would do little to keep fish around (they blow through pretty quick) and would just be a watered down version of what is happening now (restricting access to a certain group). I honestly don't blame a lot of the landowners for locking out the hordes that show up every fall. Face the facts. People are slobs and I would have to think long and hard about what I would do if I owned property on the tribs. Having 20 trucks parked in your yard and guys with headlamps and GoPros running around at 6:00 am on a Wednesday morning doesn't really sound too appealing to me. That being said, closing out the public to turn a profit on a publicly funded resource doesn't seem right to me, and that is where the line should be drawn. Has anyone noticed that the landlocked easement that PFBC purchased a few years ago in that section has been taken off the PFBC website? From my understanding, it was completely surrounded by private property, and the agency bought it specifically to keep it from falling into the hands of Donny Beaver types. I remember the confusion and conflict (with the guides that police that area) it caused when they bought it and wonder if they just pulled it off the site to prevent people from wandering in there and ruining some guide and clients day. For the record, it's over 6 miles of continuous water that is inaccessible to the public because of posted property.
post edited by Troutboy02 - 2012/12/24 08:50:54
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 08:54:16
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No....well potentially but I highly doubt it. Nowhere near the extent of Beaver. Is he stocking tons of pelletheads over wild fish? No. Is he making clients pay thousands to fish for the pelletheads on the private water? No. Does his company just happen to have access to private water on a river? Yes, but actually a lot of the guiding is on public water. Are they going to take over all the Erie tribs? No. And he does tie some sweet flies btw...
Sorry I should have clarified... The new DB of ERIE as in throwing $$ around to take access from the public for his own financial gain and no... his flies are not "sweet"
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 09:25:49
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Better watch it or he will put his heavy fist down.....remember he is a cop with connections.  Time for the state to use 2 years of stamp money and start paying the price for an easement. Pony up and just throw a big figure that the private clubs can't possibly come up with. just my 2c
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 13:58:46
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It hasn't become one. It is one.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 15:45:16
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It's a shame that such negativity still exists over this issue. Get over it.
The man has done more for the sport of steelheading than 90 % of the people on this board. He wants to spend his cash on leasing land to catch some stupid fish so what as long as its legal.
All this whining about this section of stream is hilarious. I'd bet 99.99% of the fish caught there are released to swim either UP OR DOWN stream into public access water for you so called trout gawds to rope them.
Yes it's all about GREED but for all those involved whether they be the PFBC-For the stamp and citation monies.
The bait shops- for the increased business in a slow time of the yr.
Local business- for food and lodging
The guides - to have a job and support their families
The fishermen who want to fish when and were they can cause they bought a license and stamp.
So please look at yourselves before throwing the rocks out of your glass houses.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 21:23:34
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Whoa, Tis the season to be Jolly
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/24 23:28:00
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The $$ the Pfbc offers for these easements is a joke, if they don't offer some serious coin nothing is going to change.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 01:51:51
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well we all know its legal to float down the stream through this property but im pretty sure you cant fish while doing so. lets organize a few float throughs with the oars a splashing right through this prime piece of fishing real estate on a busy day. Whos up for it PM me if interested. Dont sit behind your computer screen and **** do something. We all paid for these fish and their holding in these waters during the prime part of the season because of the little pressure. **** THAT LETS DO SOMETHING
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 01:56:23
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lets float through enough times to push the fish into public water.....If this jackass wants to make money from people fishing his land then let him stock his own fish. Lets push our fish out of his property
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 13:43:57
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dtjim
well we all know its legal to float down the stream through this property but im pretty sure you cant fish while doing so. lets organize a few float throughs with the oars a splashing right through this prime piece of fishing real estate on a busy day. Whos up for it PM me if interested. Dont sit behind your computer screen and **** do something. We all paid for these fish and their holding in these waters during the prime part of the season because of the little pressure. **** THAT LETS DO SOMETHING
Wont do a thing for the clients hooked numbers. Even spooked fish get hooked when flossed. BTW. Good job trying to get up a posse. But it will never happen. If you really want to do something about it do it alone.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 14:03:26
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well we all know its legal to float down the stream through this property but im pretty sure you cant fish while doing so. lets organize a few float throughs with the oars a splashing right through this prime piece of fishing real estate on a busy day. Whos up for it PM me if interested. Dont sit behind your computer screen and **** do something. We all paid for these fish and their holding in these waters during the prime part of the season because of the little pressure. **** THAT LETS DO SOMETHING
Good luck "floating" through. Step out of your boat, which you will have to do, and it's trespassing. Then they will be the ones laughing as you sort things out with a state trooper. Seeing that Senyo is a cop by day, something tells me he knows a few. Causing conflict isn't gonna get you very far and will likely only give more support for why land gets posted. If you really are concerned, call your local reps and the PFBC and tell them why you're concerned about this. Government agencies pay attention a bit more when representatives start hounding them about issues. Whether or not anything comes of it is a whole different story... I think the issue of predominantly out of state shops and guides profiting on a largely public funded resource in PA may have some merit with the politicians, but who knows? Keep a cool head and maybe one day something could actually come of all this.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 14:05:32
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It's a shame that such negativity still exists over this issue. Get over it.
The man has done more for the sport of steelheading than 90 % of the people on this board. He wants to spend his cash on leasing land to catch some stupid fish so what as long as its legal.
All this whining about this section of stream is hilarious. I'd bet 99.99% of the fish caught there are released to swim either UP OR DOWN stream into public access water for you so called trout gawds to rope them.
Yes it's all about GREED but for all those involved whether they be the PFBC-For the stamp and citation monies.
The bait shops- for the increased business in a slow time of the yr.
Local business- for food and lodging
The guides - to have a job and support their families
The fishermen who want to fish when and were they can cause they bought a license and stamp.
So please look at yourselves before throwing the rocks out of your glass houses.
Mike
I live in a brick house. Karl WaxWorm was a nice guy that did "a lot" for steelheading too...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 16:15:22
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We could do a Steelhead Flash Mob.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/25 16:57:18
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Jim,
You're a h*ll of a nice guy, and I've enjoyed knowing & fishing with you. No offense, but I'd rather not see you "flash" ANYTHING.
Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference. Step Up, or Step Aside The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody. GL
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2012/12/25 21:03:25
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dtjim
well we all know its legal to float down the stream through this property but im pretty sure you cant fish while doing so. lets organize a few float throughs with the oars a splashing right through this prime piece of fishing real estate on a busy day. Whos up for it PM me if interested. Dont sit behind your computer screen and **** do something. We all paid for these fish and their holding in these waters during the prime part of the season because of the little pressure. **** THAT LETS DO SOMETHING
Good luck "floating" through. Step out of your boat, which you will have to do, and it's trespassing. Then they will be the ones laughing as you sort things out with a state trooper. Seeing that Senyo is a cop by day, something tells me he knows a few.
Causing conflict isn't gonna get you very far and will likely only give more support for why land gets posted. If you really are concerned, call your local reps and the PFBC and tell them why you're concerned about this. Government agencies pay attention a bit more when representatives start hounding them about issues. Whether or not anything comes of it is a whole different story...
I think the issue of predominantly out of state shops and guides profiting on a largely public funded resource in PA may have some merit with the politicians, but who knows?
Keep a cool head and maybe one day something could actually come of all this.
^ This is a better option than the other suggestion. Lets not give anyone more of a reason to close down sections of stream because of a well intentioned float stunt.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 11:08:39
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jagfly/666
Better watch it or he will put his heavy fist down.....remember he is a cop with connections.
Time for the state to use 2 years of stamp money and start paying the price for an easement. Pony up and just throw a big figure that the private clubs can't possibly come up with.
just my 2c
And you are Senyo, or work for him, yes?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 12:00:52
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I'm out of the loop on this. How far off are we from having a PA version of the Douglaston Salmon Run -- where you pay $45 a day to cast to fish paid for with fishing license revenue -- on the Erie tribs?
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 13:56:33
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The man has done more for the sport of steelheading than 90 % of the people on this board. He wants to spend his cash on leasing land to catch some stupid fish so what as long as its legal. So on one hand, he's done so much for 'the sport' but on the other hand, they're just some stupid fish? In all seriousness, though, because I'm not aware of anything specific...what has he done for the sport of steelheading that was not meant to directly benefit himself and his business? To be clear, I have no opinion one way or another. Steelhead fishing is something fun to do 1-3 times per year, but I wouldn't care in the slightest if I could never go steelhead fishing again. That being said, I think that what The Beav is doing up there is ethically wrong, and the light in which he sees himself is pathetic and laughable at best. Not sure how similar Greg Senyo is to that, but if the shoe fits...
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 14:28:12
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From what i HEAR Senyo Or one of his employees are the ones that kept the guys from Project healing waters from fishing greens this year... If this is true you reap what you sew Greggy
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 14:28:16
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HAHAHA...I fish steel often. This is all laughable imo. I dont have a problem finding fish or catching them. Oh, and in the grand scheme of things, yeah...its just a dumb fish.
Do some leg work, help a land owner out, you'll find plenty of water to enjoy.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 14:31:03
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HAHAHA...I fish steel often. This is all laughable imo. I dont have a problem finding fish or catching them. Oh, and in the grand scheme of things, yeah...its just a dumb fish.
Do some leg work, help a land owner out, you'll find plenty of water to enjoy.
To be blunt/fair, though, that's not really the point at all.
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 15:05:13
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gymi03
HAHAHA...I fish steel often. This is all laughable imo. I dont have a problem finding fish or catching them. Oh, and in the grand scheme of things, yeah...its just a dumb fish.
Do some leg work, help a land owner out, you'll find plenty of water to enjoy.
To be blunt/fair, though, that's not really the point at all.
ahhh...but I think it is. Guys come on here and complain left and right......when its as simple as going out and doing leg work, lending a helping hand, etc. I've only lived here, lake city, for about 5 years and have a few "private" properties that I fish. Sometimes I lose some, and sometimes I gain some. Its the same game as when I hunted. Let yourself be known, help out, enjoy the rewards. I guess I'm a lil fed up with whiners....so be it. I'll have my stretch of water to myself....the chronic complainers wont.....enjoy!!!
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 16:02:10
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Count me in with the whiners.  I have paid for an annual Non-res license for close to twenty-five years for the privilege to fish Elk a couple of times each fall. I enjoyed the fact that if you were willing to walk you could find some open water. Then came the posted property and repeated run-ins with KW and his merry men. Even when I was legally fishing the easements, they continued to harass me because at some point I had to cross posted property to get to them. I spoke to the PA FBC and they said that the easements were not a permanent solution and that they would remove them from their maps (which they did a few years ago.) I applaud the FBC for trying to address the problem but I think the deck is stacked against them. There will always be private money willing to outbid them. So for the first time I did not by a PA license, and spent the fall fishing MI and NY tribs which are a lot farther from home but not as restricted (excluding the PM). So I lose, but so does PA, because the money I would spend on a license, hotel, food, etc., is now going elsewhere. PS I did talk with the FBC about a month ago regarding the legality of floating Elk in my pontoon boat in order to circumvent the posted property. Legally, I can, but if I happen to touch bottom and need to get out then I am trespassing. Still trying to decide if it would be worth it. Good discussion and valid points on both sides. Holy Grail
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Re:is Greg Senyo the new Donny Beaver?
2012/12/26 23:21:39
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There will always be private money willing to outbid them. And that's the main point. Nothing short of movement toward something like the guaranteed public access to all rivers as exists in New Zealand is going to change things. I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Even Montana's well-known river access freedoms are being regressed under the weight of big property owners. It's perhaps more likely to see more movement toward European-style river management: what was once reserved for royalty and nobles is now reserved solely for members of fishing clubs. One thing is for sure, if it remains purely a question of money, the PFBC is out. I very much doubt they'd go deep enough into their coffers to outbid a wealthy buyer, even if they could afford it. FFS, they sold the natural gas out from under Dutch Forks to get their hands on funds to rebuild the dam and others like it.
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