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2012/11/20 11:28:15 (permalink)

cold steel...

....head season is on its way!!!! Check the ten day forecast!!!

Boated from altmar to pineville with 3fan on sunday... it was rather slow for us with only two on and one in the boat... was still a good time though... john thanks again for the ride buddy
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/20 15:13:50 (permalink)
    Andy-
     Late Oct and November are generally two of my favored fishing times. Got busted out of those trips myself this year but am surprised at the very many negative River reports from good fisherman for several weeks now.
       Has it been generally slower this late season ??
      Didnt hear very much bout Sharks on the late side or even Hos both of which usually hit decently and are around in those times with the Steel. There are Nov days in the past where all three are around in some places - jut not hearing those stories at all.
      Almost kinda sounding like Steel days of old here.   
      NOT counting boat trips that traditionally get to far more water than a walker and with Capts that generally know where the fish are holding from day to day. Not knocking them in way way here- its just different fishing.
      Hoping for a few days in a week or so myself- good fishing or not- just fishing.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/11/20 15:18:25
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/20 20:14:45 (permalink)
    yep, glad I bought the neos when my other boots were in the shop.  I like Nov and Dec my self.   I can take some cold but when it gets below 15 I would rather go out on the ice or stay home.  
    Headed out tomorrow and maybe Friday.   We will see if I can get my lazy azz out of bed for an am trip.

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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/25 08:49:11 (permalink)
    Well, hope everyone had a safe and happy holiday... great to hear and see everyones outdoor adventure reports!!!

    Been following the weather and it seems as if some small lake effect is gonna come through in the next few days with some decent accumulation tonight and smaller accumulations the next few days... then COLD... but a warming trend in early next week... depending on how much snow tug hill gets we could have a high water december!!! Its been a while but if it happens it could set us up for some excellent winter flows/fishing...tight lines guys!!!
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/25 09:24:59 (permalink)
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    Andy-
    Late Oct and November are generally two of my favored fishing times. Got busted out of those trips myself this year but am surprised at the very many negative River reports from good fisherman for several weeks now.
      Has it been generally slower this late season ??
    Didnt hear very much bout Sharks on the late side or even Hos both of which usually hit decently and are around in those times with the Steel. There are Nov days in the past where all three are around in some places - jut not hearing those stories at all.
    Almost kinda sounding like Steel days of old here.   
    NOT counting boat trips that traditionally get to far more water than a walker and with Capts that generally know where the fish are holding from day to day. Not knocking them in way way here- its just different fishing.
    Hoping for a few days in a week or so myself- good fishing or not- just fishing.

    Trev i missed this one... id say its been a typical late season but when its been ON its been like DONKEY KONG!!! problems we've faced are below average flows and above average fishing pressure... i myself have opted out from fishing certain areas at very hot times due to the crowds... a big concern of mine is the absence of wild coho in common spawn/natal areas...(pizz trickles) hahahaha.... ive seen absolutely zero to date and that concerns me as ive looked on daily basis at times to see nothing but trickles that these magnificent fish cant quite navigate... in my efforts to observe, i was quite surprised to see an ample amount of tiny fry bolting around in the little pools... it makes one wonder... baby steelhead??? I did witness successful spawn beds in these waters i am referring to in early spring of last year... who knows???? Luckily there still is chance of some winter spawning cohoes to fill in the gaps with the potential of some good run off coming in the next few weeks...

    Tight linez
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/25 10:42:18 (permalink)
    nice to hear from ya DB, almost thought you got lost for awhile.. lol
     
    I heard (read) that a few thousand juvi steelhead were released into the river just over a month ago.. Maybe thats them ?
    Thinking they (dec) is looking to have them exit to the lake this spring..
     
    Well 12 hrs on the stone pile was brutal last night and now time to cut some venison , drink some beers , fire up the grill and what ever else ensues..
    Have a great day everyone..

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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/25 11:02:06 (permalink)
    Know what ya mean Andy- many of my late favored HO bedding area have been high and dry. Would think they would still be in though -just someplace else.
        Saw them in some numbers early on this year spawning during that big Shark run- was a bit surprised at that-think the numbers of Sharks actually may have caused the Hos to have a better chance early since the Sharks  were being so targeted. Actually saw guys leaving them  alone while Chuckin for the Sharks.
      Havent been around for the past several weeks to fish but remain surprised at the low reporting.
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/25 15:25:49 (permalink)
    Well I'm doing all those getting ready for winter chores,cleaning out rain gutters,clearing debris from driveway,blowing leaves,etc. trying to keep my sanity until I wet a line again.Was going to go west to the Erie tribs but the streams are very low,they need lots of rain/snow soon or that fall season is going to be a bust.Might come up to SR instead but these reports are not encouraging.Whatever I decide it won't happen for a week or two,got too much to take care of after the holiday.Deer season,rifle,starts tomorrow around here and that is a pain as some of these people go ape to shoot a deer and could care less if they're in a safety zone or on private property,police phone # will be on speed dial just in case.
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 05:26:17 (permalink)
    Lost but always found tuna!!! Lol

    Dont think these guys i was seeing were those excess stocks... the water im referring to is unstocked and i was seeing them from late september...these guys were twice the thickness of a toothpick and 3/4 the length of a toothpick... much smaller than the surplus juvies they stocked and far from the river... be safe on those gravel banks running those quarry monsters bud!!

    So what do ya'll think??? 2500 cfs by next wednesday??? Hope so...prime makings for fresh "cold steel" ;)
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 06:18:45 (permalink)
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    So what do ya'll think??? 2500 cfs by next wednesday??? Hope so...prime makings for fresh "cold steel" ;)

    since most estiments are that somewhere between 6-10 inches of snow holds the same amount of water as an inch of rain and I don't see any 70 degree days or rainfall in the forcast i would guess a slowish melt into a still lower than average res plus the ground isn't frozen or saturated and will be soak some i would guess not.
     
     
    i claim my rightfull place as king of the run on sentence.
     
    ps  if brookfield can't figure out to up the release to 750 as the melt happens in order to prevent 2500cfs down the road they are idiots.
    while that should be enough to draw new fish the dropping water temp due to 33 degree snow melt could well shrink the amount.


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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 06:52:58 (permalink)
    Twobob, a while back i was crowned as the king of run on sentence by an old time poster... i guess ive been dethroned!!! Lol

    Maybe 2500 is wishfull thinking on my part... hopefully some thunderstorms will race through next week with the sudden warm spell and make my wish come true... the river could use a good washing... and brookfield has done dumber things in the past ...party on garth!!!
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 07:28:18 (permalink)
    no doubt on brookfield but with the longer colder nights they would be passing on profits from expanded electric production.
    that i think they have a full understanding of.
     
     
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 18:23:04 (permalink)
    Also remember and I may be out in left field on this, that there is a "sweet spot for power production and it is not all that much.   750 seems to stick in my head as the # at which they produce peak power.   Anything above this is just water over the dam. 

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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 20:11:52 (permalink)
    well i'm certainly no authority on power production but i do know that back in the before timesthey used to cut off the spigot at5-6  pm ,down to about 150 cfs, and throw open both gates to the tune of 1800 cfs every morning around 5 am in time for the daily house lights and factories to get chugging .
    i would guess they weren't running 1100 cfs more than they needed to turn the highest profit that they could.
    of course i believe they redid the turbines since then which may have changed things.
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 20:31:35 (permalink)
    TB I  don't really know,  I  am thinking I heard it at some time from somebody whom I cannot remember (and my memory is not what it used to be).   My dad used to work for Nimo and it could have been from one of his buddies.   It may have been that after 750 if you go to 1500 you do  not necessarily double output of power, but again I may be way off base too.

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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/26 22:30:47 (permalink)
    Might- might- get a couple of days in Sr Country late this week into the weekend MIGHT
     Can somebody keep me posted on snow amounts there- MIght need to call the  plow guy-if I'm lucky and life  can leave me alone for a couple of days- lol.
     This has been about the longest stretch away from there in 6 years. Gettin cranky bout it too.
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 06:01:37 (permalink)
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    Might- might- get a couple of days in Sr Country late this week into the weekend MIGHT
    Can somebody keep me posted on snow amounts there- MIght need to call the  plow guy-if I'm lucky and life  can leave me alone for a couple of days- lol.
    This has been about the longest stretch away from there in 6 years. Gettin cranky bout it too.


    Trevor call the plow guy ;)
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 07:01:12 (permalink)
    Trev while I agree there was enough to plow (and it seems that the Pulaski area may have gotten about 6 more inches than me).  You may be fine.   My 8 inched settle to 4 and with the warmer temps coming it will go.  Andy is up that way so he knows better, but again you could be fine.   If you have a gravel drive like me plowing is tough on it and I try to wait until the ground is frozen if at all possible.

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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 08:44:54 (permalink)
    Aint it funny how a half mile or so can make a big difference... You guys missed out clint!!! Lol :)

    I plowed a solid 16"s yesterday afternoon... pulaski last night still had 12 in unplowed areas... richland had reports of 14.5 but im sure some areas got more... the tug got 20+ in some areas!!! Cold temps for a few days with a supposed heat wave next week
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 09:55:23 (permalink)
          Thats good news for Steel- less pressure.
      Life got in the way last night and my hopes of getting up for a couple of  days got squashed.
      Politics and early  budget projections demand attention resulting in a variety of meetings and then more meetings. As finance Chair its my job to be on top of these issues and 'gone fishin' just dont cut it sometimes- lol.
     Life is full of little choices and Politics is a passion too --so be it.
     
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 10:51:56 (permalink)
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    Aint it funny how a half mile or so can make a big difference... You guys missed out clint!!! Lol :)

    I plowed a solid 16"s yesterday afternoon... pulaski last night still had 12 in unplowed areas... richland had reports of 14.5 but im sure some areas got more... the tug got 20+ in some areas!!! Cold temps for a few days with a supposed heat wave next week


    I'll never forget what I saw traveling North out of 'cuse on 81 yrs ago in November.We were on our way for a Steelie trip and it was bright and sunny,looking North we saw what looked like a dark curtain ahead,when we got there it was HEAVY snow falling,it looked like someone drew a line and said on this side it will be clear and the other side it will be snow,from that point up it was snow and the road was covered.I threw my Jeep into 4 WD and slowed down to 45 -50,lots of others flew by in the haste to go somewhere.As we went on to Pulaski we saw several wrecks,I guess they did n't see the snow through their sunglasses.
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 11:13:21 (permalink)
    Got to Altmar a few years back into a pure whiteout. Fluffy snow was deep and flying over my hood into the windshield. Was goin bout 25 and the road seemed dry underneath- only issue in the heavy snow was knowing where the heck the road was.
     Missed the Pineville turn- didnt even see the bait shop- and had to turn around at Whites and go back. Was really worried about the bridge and hill on the other side but that fluffy very deep snow  just moved on outa the way.
      Coupla days later it had packed and ya could almost walk on it. Plows pushed it about 4 feet deep in the driveway mouth AFTER  I had driven in- was stuck till I got plowed out- lol.
      That snow belt with the 'lake effect' is something very different.
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 11:35:15 (permalink)
    January 2008 I had to bring my daughter back to SUNY Oswego for the Spring semester.  I had planned a drift boat trip on the SR to coincide with that task.  A day or two prior to heading north the lake effect dumped an amount of snow measured in feet not inches on the eastern basin.  The ride up was perfect with little or no snow accumulation all the way to Fulton, that's where everything changed.  The sides of the road had a little more than a few inches until we exited RT. 481 and proceeded through Fulton.  It was as if someone flipped on a light switch with mounds of snow ten to twelve feet high.  Spent that night debating the merits of sticking around to fish after dropping my daughter off at school.  I chose to cancel my trip and get out of town before another wintry blast hit the area.  The guide offered no argument when I called to cancel.        
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 12:38:22 (permalink)
    Nice stories guys... i have a feeling this is gonna be one of those few page threads that get carried out through the winter..lol

    Ive been in and drove through quite a few 2+ dumpings... 07 takes the cake for sure.. i roled in to town a few days after the inital squalll came through and the estimated 10-12 foot had settled to a solid six foot... after digging out for two days there was still a fresh 6-10 inches each morning!!! The crazy thing about that year was it was warm and snowless up until mid february... but once it started it didnt stop!!!
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 17:36:55 (permalink)
    07 was CRAZY   I live in a 2 story cape and after shoveling the roof I could walk right down the bank.   Had to get the back hoe out to move the snow away from the garage so the snow could slide off the roof.   I have driven through so many white outs things most people consider bad I consider a flurry

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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 18:10:24 (permalink)
    When 2bob and I were first exploring up there, it ws August, and we would fish the SR in the AM looking for early kings, then make camp for the overnight , then head up on the hill and drive around looking for trout streams, not knowing they were ALL trout streams.  We went through Adams into Barnes Corners on one trip and were marvelling at all the houses with doors on the second floor.  After a couple of winters around there it was perfectly logical.  I hear the Watertown Hospital issues snowshoes to the newborns!  And Palermo to Fulton is hell from now until the lake chills down big time, around mid March. 
     
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 18:56:52 (permalink)
    salmon or steel in the morning and 4-8 inch brookies on coachman dries in the afternoon.
    good times!
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/27 22:23:30 (permalink)
    Up in some of those spots Dime and Clint like to go to, except 25 miles inland.  There is one spot we found up there where a trib comes in to the main stream, and you could drop a 16 dry in one spot and get a rise from a brookie and 6 feet out in the flow get a largemouth on a maribou!
     
    Take your thoughts off all that snow we are going to be moving and wading through to get to water and (hopefully) fish  for the next few months.
     
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/28 06:51:46 (permalink)
    Theres great fishing to be done everywhere at all times in this region for sure lucky... lets get ready for round two of lake effect here... still interested to see what happens with this snow a week from now...
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    Re:cold steel... 2012/11/29 17:47:36 (permalink)
    I wish it were as easy as the good old days.. I mean to say the younger days I guess  I'll just wait for ice fishing season. glta, happy thanks giving and all the holidays!

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