rumor or truth? 
mugz
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rumor or truth?
 since the PFBC stopped stocking Coho's along with Steelhead the fishing has slowly declined yearly to the current obvious lower mass return numbers. from a pretty reliable source 3CU
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/22 22:35:44
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mugz
since the PFBC stopped stocking Coho's along with Steelhead the fishing has slowly declined yearly to the current obvious lower mass return numbers.
from a pretty reliable source 3CU
they stopped stocking coho sometime ago...8-10(?) years ago But when did the stop stocking steelhead? They reduced numbers from the peak years of the late 90's/every '00s of 2.3mil smolts a year 'bout the same time they diverted a substantial amount from Elk and Walnut to the east side . so it was like a double whammy to Elk and Da'Nut but they still dump truck loads of smolts in the creeks every Spring ..L.T.A.
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/22 22:59:58
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Neither rumor, nor truth. Simply speculation.
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/22 23:41:07
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If you wanted "natural". There'd be nothing but Lakers, and maybe Atlantics in lake Erie and it's tribs.
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 08:01:47
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SteelSlayer77
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 08:47:46
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genieman77 They reduced numbers from the peak years of the late 90's/every '00s of 2.3mil smolts a year
'bout the same time they diverted a substantial amount from Elk and Walnut to the east side .
so it was like a double whammy to Elk and Da'Nut
Not sure where you get your numbers from, but according to PFBC they are stocking about just as many smolts in Elk as they ever have. Here are the smolt stocking numbers for Elk back to 1992: Year Species Lifestage # Stocked 1992 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 258,000 1993 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 188,000 1994 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 144,500 1995 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 180,000 1996 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 5,000 1997 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 210,000 1998 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 199,730 2000 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 221,740 2001 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 275,000 2002 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 249,987 2003 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 172,750 2004 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 261,900 2005 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 261,090 2006 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 264,590 2007 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 252,720 2008 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 274,311 2009 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 275,400 2010 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 246,624 2011 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 247,050 http://pfbc.state.pa.us/p...etails_historical.aspx
post edited by SteelSlayer77 - 2012/10/23 08:49:20
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 09:59:50
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GMAN- MUGZ didnt mean they stopped stockin steel,he was referring to coho being stocked along with steel,,,,,i heard the same comment yesterday,we were fishin the lakr when we were told this
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 10:54:13
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I would vote rumor on this, and wouldn't believe everything you're told at the lake. Look at the Elk creek stocking numbers that I posted directly from the PFBC, looks like they have been stocking close to the same numbers in Elk that they did 10 and 20 years ago. I think the statement that steelhead fishing has declined yearly is not true either. Almost everyone agrees that we had more fish last year than the two years before it. Also it hasn't gradually declined, four years ago Elk was loaded from top to bottom almost every nice hole and run was black with fish in November. Then the following year (3 years ago) it just crashed, nothing slow or gradual about it. With the lake temps being warmer this year and it not even being November yet, I'd at least wait another month before saying the fishing is down. Based on reports from out in the lake this year, there is still a chance of an Epic run.
post edited by SteelSlayer77 - 2012/10/23 10:57:28
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 11:10:11
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Epic = 2017....You'll see
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 14:15:23
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2003 record walter hatch ate record numbers of smoltz, yummmy smoltz sammiches!
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 15:03:20
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 15:56:37
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Guess one needs to know exactly what was told him. ( Truth ) The PF&BC stopped stocking Coho. ( Truth ) The fishing, for COHO has declined yearly to obvious lower return numbers. Although the latter is only semi truth. The COHO fishing, didn't slowly decline yearly. It declined dramatatically, and has remained dramatically low since.
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 17:51:22
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slayer, no one mentioned less steel stocking, it was meant as since the coho are basically gone,the steel are picking up the slack,this person that told us was saying, as mentioned above,these species are a schooling fish and he believed with the decline of coho,which generally ran early,the steel are now running later,on their own,this was one mans opinion,not gospel,no different than all other opinions on why the number decline
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 21:03:41
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SteelSlayer77
genieman77 They reduced numbers from the peak years of the late 90's/every '00s of 2.3mil smolts a year
'bout the same time they diverted a substantial amount from Elk and Walnut to the east side .
so it was like a double whammy to Elk and Da'Nut
Not sure where you get your numbers from, but according to PFBC they are stocking about just as many smolts in Elk as they ever have. Here are the smolt stocking numbers for Elk back to 1992:
Year Species Lifestage # Stocked
1992 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 258,000
1993 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 188,000
1994 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 144,500
1995 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 180,000
1996 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 5,000
1997 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 210,000
1998 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 199,730
2000 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 221,740
2001 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Fingerling 275,000
2002 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 249,987
2003 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 172,750
2004 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 261,900
2005 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 261,090
2006 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 264,590
2007 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 252,720
2008 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 274,311
2009 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 275,400
2010 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 246,624
2011 Rainbow Trout - Steelhead Yearling 247,050
http://pfbc.state.pa.us/p...etails_historical.aspx
beautiful.... thanks Slayer . I asked for those numbers in another thread can you get the overall total numbers for all of Pa tribs? thanks ..L.T.A.
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mugz
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 21:40:04
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alot of people didnt realize which species of fish they were actually catching for so many years, but now that its 99% Steelhead it seems as tho there is not many fish but reality is the Steelhead are still here in huge numbers but without the support group of Coho Salmon. These 2 species coexisted brilliantly together making for some great memories in Erie,Pa.
I also feel there is some residency return issues for some bodies of water for reasons unknown
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 22:05:49
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Genie,
Click on the link at the bottom of Slayer's list. Select county ( Erie ), select year from ( 1992 ), then select species ( Rainbow/Steelhead ). Hit go & there you are.
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Re:rumor or truth?
2012/10/23 22:42:17
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Poor imprinting has been occurring. Streams have chemistry changes due to new waste water/storm water rectifications . Smolts have been stocked too close to the lake, and predation have also been reasons given. 3CU raceways have experienced weather related problems over the past few years.
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