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2012/10/11 17:58:01 (permalink)

285 for three hours?

The waterline states that they will raise the water to 285 from 8 pm tomorrow until 11.58 pm.I guess they are trying to flush some of the dead ones down and get some females into the hatchery,or they enjoy teasing us
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    uglyfish
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/11 18:45:13 (permalink)
    Cold night tomorrow too. Chance of snow. Can you say bring on the steel!!!!
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/11 18:54:33 (permalink)
    Yup PA... id imagine theres finally females in line within hatchery vicinity... last time i looked it was almost only males in the hatchery....

    For steelhead...bring on the snow so everyone stays home and the river's less packed!!! Im hoping we get some lake effect blasts in late october/early november as it used to be common...forget about the rain dance...bring on the snow chant!!! Lol
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/11 19:09:38 (permalink)
    My friend again saw the netting up at Orwell brook yesterday for at least 6 hours. I have seen it up twice last week.   Unless they are stocking, they may be trying to net females there.  That would really explain why on last Wednesday we  had a good day, but only caught  one female.

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/11 21:50:07 (permalink)
    Funny I had the same discussion and my stupid worthless opinion with Charlie without reading any Internet thread on the subject before now. I only seen the flow data as I look every day for water I fish.

    Seems the closing of lfz did not supply necessary hatchery fish and the contingency plan is in place.

    Maybe this will also teach us in the future, maybe closing lfz worked no better now then in 07 , maybe other options will work , maybe I know nothing about the sr and fishery..
    No matter what , if we ever stop learning , we are stone cold dead.

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 07:26:45 (permalink)
    Makes you wonder what would work then???? It seems as if males havent had any problem making it up... makes one wonder if there is some kind of biological indifference in hatchery males vs. Hatchery females juvenille survival rate.... it seems as if plenty of wild females made it and are spawning or already spawned.... tons of hatchery males are stacked in the hatchery???? What gives??? Id love to know the answer myself...and yes, once you stop learning there is no point to it ;)
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 07:34:42 (permalink)
    DEC info line says they started taking eggs in the hatchery this week, so they must have had a few henfish.  Maybe the better solution for insuring adequate fish for egg taking is to close Trout and Orwell when the flows are this low.  I know this will p off some store owners and barbarians, but it makes sense if that is where DEC  is going to get ripe hens.
     
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    post edited by Lucky13 - 2012/10/12 20:40:43
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 09:38:08 (permalink)
         Last week driving by TB and Orwell I find it hard to believe a fish could make it upo that little of water, but the things we do for the nookie.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 10:58:10 (permalink)
    While taking a break last Friday at the lodge a group from Joisy came in all happy that they limited out,I asked them where they were "fishing" and they said Trout Brook,I said at the mouth or in the river at that area and they informed me "no in the brook",I said is there any water there and they said yes.Later as I left for home I went past Trout Brook and it was a trickle.Why anyone would drive from Joisy and spend money on lodging,gas,tackle,etc. to snag fish in a trickle is beyond me,fing idiots are born every minute.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 11:47:45 (permalink)
    you assume they were snagging them
    if it was that low they may have just been netting them :)
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 13:39:55 (permalink)
          bear very true a lot of crazy things happen on the tribs and i believe that people actually still think they're fishing. The joy they would find if they did it the right way is more rewarding then limiting out unless your there to feed the family but i don't think there is too many of those guys there, but I could be wrong
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 17:38:54 (permalink)
    King of the sea, Poseidon, Neptune, whatever you want to call the dude, sure as hell he could fish and he used a frickin' pitchfork.  A trib tickler. When I was a  kid, we use to herd suckers up to a small dam and  collect them  with  forks for garden  fertilizer.   Maybe I should sell all those fancy fly sticks I've collected and be a real fisherman.
    I'm with Lucky on closing the brooks  when it's this low and easy.
     
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 19:42:10 (permalink)
    Maybe even a October 31 time of opening tribes of the SR maybe we'd get a little more natural reproduction. Not like anyone does any fishing in the tribes
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/12 20:15:45 (permalink)
    Trout brook should be closed period because IMHO you cannot fairly fish there due width and depth  unless there has been ALOT of rain.  I have not walked it in years , but I doubt under fairly normal  water circumstances there is any spot over thigh deep.   I fish the other tribs alot.  That said  I would LOVE to see Orwell closed down until Nov. 1.   There are alot of deeper  holes (some around 6 feet deep even last weekend) and TONS more brush for the fish to hide there. 

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 07:46:57 (permalink)
    Orwell is a beautiful brook I love it under the pine trees it's like you go into a different world. But dont really go there unless river is high.
    post edited by uglyfish - 2012/10/13 07:53:29
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 08:37:44 (permalink)
    Well now it is until 11:58  tonight so I guess they are giving a good push after all the recent rain.  I just  checked the gauge and it is running at 417 so must be some good run off too!!!

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 08:58:59 (permalink)
    jeebers you mean now that they have a little water to work with they're pulsing it a little at night to move the fish.
    why didn't i think of doing that.
    guess that kind of thinking is for the expert to come up with, not an some old fisherman like me.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 09:05:17 (permalink)
    Yea, Bob, but the 4 hour pulse has turned into a 16 hour push.  Should bring alot of fish (and pressure)  from down low and give the steel aplace to hide.

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 09:20:13 (permalink)
    Why am I sitting in a tree watching the leaves fall while playing on the Internet looking a some killer chrome pics from friends that went thurs & Friday ?

    I sure hope they are still grabby next Monday & Tuesday

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:21:32 (permalink)
    maybe i am reading it wrong but it looks to me like it pulsed briefly and has dropped ever since and it is run off keeping the flow higher not a release.
    it says the same thing should happen again tonight.
    heard they were predicting another 1/4 in rain today-night which should keep some extra cfs in the river again tomorrow.
    or am i reading the pineville gauge wrong.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:30:31 (permalink)
    I know I should be there but deer hunting and a cold day on the river has left me pretty **** sick. Its amazing how people go crazy up there even over zombie salmon. And its disgusting to see those same zombies on the fillet tables. Must be the alcohol
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:32:41 (permalink)
    i've been fighting the cold from hel since i came home last tues.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:37:40 (permalink)
    Alot of guys I know are getting it Bob, to me it feels like I swallowed glass. At least my day on the water was amazing. Blue estaz was taking kings and steelhead all day.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:37:51 (permalink)
    They raised it to 285 yesterday at 8:00 I think and it will stay at 285 until at least sunday midnight according to the  USFG site.  The first release was only supposed to be 3 hours.  It stopped raining here yesterday afternoon.  Could have been runoff or maybe the bumped it up higher for an hour to clean stuff out and get stuff moving.  With the rain tonight it be 4 to 500 tomorrow.  We will see.

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:42:54 (permalink)
    True Clint, looks like a good drink on its way in now. That's gonna be a cold rain
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 17:56:01 (permalink)
    Looks like the hill is getting hit now and it's getting Awful dark and windy...........

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 18:26:29 (permalink)
    well that would be great.
    makes one think that dec and brookfeild are cooperating for the best of the fishery.
    especially having the higher flow over the weekend making the sight fishing less productive.
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/13 19:00:29 (permalink)
    F work, I can't take it. Getting too dam ideal for me. I'll have to try and sneak in a  day next weekend, crowds or not. Tying steel flies every night is making it worse.  Maybe you guys will develop a tolerance for these colds and get your dose over with early.  I can't stop thinking about those dam steelhead!  Bring on the weather!
     
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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/14 11:05:05 (permalink)
    Well it rained  hard all night the hardest coming from from from 8 to 10 this AM.  
    Charlie I also have been hard at work trying to tying so decent ones.  My latest is a brown stone with peacock hurl body and some stones with some crazy rubber legs. 

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    Re:285 for three hours? 2012/10/14 18:12:48 (permalink)
    Sounds good, Clint. I'm doing similar- stones 8-12. About finished with the egg/spawn  collection for the year.  That means I'll run out of blue about March, on a day when they're all running big and that's all they want. It's not funny, because it's true.  Well , it is funny if you're fishing with me and you have some blue. Happened last year and still haunts me.  HT was fishing above me and killing them, he lands a few beauties and feels sorry for me. He's said blue to me so many times he's turning it.  He lets me take his place. I tie on my last blue egg and drift it into a  little depression behind a boulder in the middle of a good seam. Sure as ****, first drift line stops and I raise the rod just enough. The fish raises up off the bottom and takes off across river. Bright Chrome and over 3 feet.  The guys across the river scream like little girls, or was that my echo?, anyway, I overtighten my **** and my line hand simultaneously  and it's all over.  The guys across the river  are all  "Man,  that was a big fish", making me feel so much better.
    I better tie more blue.
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