Advice for upcoming charter

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2012/09/06 15:36:43 (permalink)

Advice for upcoming charter

Hey guy.  I recently found an Allegheny River guide online.  He goes by the name of Red Childress.  I am thinking about paying for his charter in November.  Has anybody worked with him before or heard anything?  Thanks guys.

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/06 20:21:17 (permalink)
    Depends on what you are fishing for.....
     
    Red is known for musky on the Allegheny as far as I know.
     
    I'd highly recommend Jeff Knapp (www.keystoneconnection.com) for smallmouth, walleye, and musky.

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/06 21:00:53 (permalink)
    I agree with ready2fish, Jeff Knapp is one of the best fisherman in our area.  I went to school with his son and have know the family for a number of years. He's a great smallmouth guide for the allegheny river. Ive never fished with Red but weve done quite a bit of outdoor shows with him and he's a stand up guy.  Either one will have you catching fish. 

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/06 21:36:31 (permalink)
    Thanks guy.  I was looking at Jeff's page and it seems like he is a big time smallie specialist.  Living in Erie, I catch a lot of smallies and in my opinion $300 for smallmouth would be wasteful.  I am actually looking for a guide for northerns and/or muskie.  Thoughts?

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/07 05:40:13 (permalink)
    Red will be more geared toward musky. I'd give him a call and talk to him.
    If I were targeting toothy fish, I'd wait until October, maybe even early November. I catch far more in that time frame, and I'm not even targeting them.

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/07 05:54:16 (permalink)
    Your best bet for musky hands down would be Todd Young, from Muddy Creek Fishing Guides.  I booked him for a day on Chautauqua, top notch all the way, great guy to be in the boat with, I learned a ton on my trip. We boated 2 out of 5 fish that hit in musky fishing thats a good day.
     
    There are a few guys guiding on Chautauqua for musky, he is the only one who has WON the PMTT (prof musky tourney trail, biggest tournament trail in the country for musky) which should speak volumes of his ability to put people on fish.  Many guides will say they fished in tournaments, heck any one can do that if you pay the entry fee, the difference is he and his partner came in first place at the end of all the tournaments. No one locally can say that, only a handful in the US can say that 
     
    He has a website so goggle his name. 
     
    I will say this stay far far away from the one guide named Larry Jones, of Mostly Muskie Charters. He is a bag of hot air, will say anything to get your money and does not produce results. He is bad news, I know personally, I was greatly disappointed with his "business" after talking to several others it seems to be the consensus among the musky fishing community.
     
    My vote would be for Todd Young
     
     
    post edited by Handline - 2012/09/07 06:04:51
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/07 09:55:04 (permalink)
    www.mcfishnguides.com       Todds web sight
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/07 10:40:02 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot guys.  You guys are awesome.

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/10 09:59:06 (permalink)
    I'd go with Red. And ya, I would def wait until mid October through even January to book it. The later in the year you go ,the better the chance of hooking into a giant.
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/12 12:05:59 (permalink)
    These guys did an outdoor show with red childress...speaks for itself...check it out, id go with red... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShnXqZzfgIk
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/13 13:02:08 (permalink)
    You guys have been a great help!

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/14 08:20:12 (permalink)
    Reds a great guy, and he'll get you on fish.
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/14 11:05:59 (permalink)
    B**** make sure to post a trip report when you get back...would love to hear how you guys do.
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/14 12:27:48 (permalink)
    Will do!

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/16 21:31:31 (permalink)
    if your going to fish the allegheny fish with red.  i dont think todd does the river but if i was going to hire a guide for chautauqua i'd go with todd.  just talked to him the other day at the late & he has been catching some fish.  as far as larry jones, a lot of people are jealous of the fish he catches & post bad things about him.  ive seen pictures of the fish he catches. he is also willing to help when your in the water.  very willing to share info.
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/16 22:25:44 (permalink)
    Thanks Muske!

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/17 20:20:58 (permalink)
    muskefisher 

    as far as larry jones, a lot of people are jealous of the fish he catches & post bad things about him.  ive seen pictures of the fish he catches. he is also willing to help when your in the water.  very willing to share info.

     
    You have got to be kidding me!! Jealous!! If anyone spent 5 minutes on his forum it would be clear as day he is nothing to be jealous of, in fact it is a little sad. He has to get admin permission to remove any post he feels is hurtful to him, class act. I mean a guide of his stature surely can produce results (pictures) when people question, instead he just deletes what he dont like 
     
    How can a man claim to catch 150+ muskies in the same NY season 2 years ago, and not even have 20 this year. He has posted pictures not to long ago about his 3 fish day on his forum...ok great, but it is clearly the same fish in photo 2 and 3 (look at the fishes left side of its jaw they have the same flap of flesh ripped and hanging. I would put money on photo 1 is the same fish as well) He is a JOKE
     
    Maybe you would be interested in a guided steel head trip with dirt bag Larry, he has done it in Washington, or maybe book a trip with him in south america for pea**** bass, or even more exotic his south africa tours... it will be ok you will be safe remember how he foiled that bus hijacking in texas a few years ago that no new coverage was reported.
     
    You can trust him as well, why not book a three day trip with him right now for 2013 or 2014 he is running a special, he wants to collect the money now so Social Security wont be effected (very classy) next year, then he will cancle trips. He is trust worthy, he is admits to a scam on social security
     
    Jealous? Oh ya you bet, look at his site, and forum and see if any of the pics of fish are recent. Be sure to note he may have several pics of the same fish. He is a poor excuse for a guide. (he has posted all summer, no fish today, to hot, water to colored, lake turning over, boat broke, no camera, trailer broke, all excuses because he realizes he is exposed) It is laughable that he has anyone who would take a stand for him
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/17 21:31:23 (permalink)
    Handline, I get the impression that you are not a fan.  Okay, from what I have heard on here I won't book him.
     
    So, reading this prompts a new question: Why are muskie so much harder to catch than pike? They are both Esox and they are both predatory.

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/17 22:16:44 (permalink)
    Perch and walleye are from the same family. It is easier to catch more perch mainly from a numbers stand point.  
     
    There is many more aspect that make muskie a more difficult fish to catch, but a reader digist version could simply boil down to there are more pike swimming in the water than musky. You have a higher chance of finding an active pike.
     
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/17 22:56:33 (permalink)
    OK, I fished with Larry Jones.  Last year July 5th, trolled 8 hours.  Zip, nothing, nada.  I fished with him 2 years ago, June 30th.  We got 6 fish in the boat.   I lost a couple more.  Great day.  Fished 8 hours.  Larry was willing to keep us out the full 12 hours, but I told him I was well satisfied and he could take the rest of the day off.  That's fishing.  Sometimes you get fish, sometimes you don't.  And Yes, I posted pictures of all 6 fish the next day.  Fish with Larry, fish with Red, fish with Jeff, or fish with Todd, just go fish!!!
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/17 23:29:52 (permalink)
    Are pike a more aggressive fish, overall?

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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/18 05:37:04 (permalink)
    Pike are more willing biters overall. They tend to attack with out reguard. With musky the attack is just as aggressive, but the tendencys of musky is to follow your bait with no strike.
     
    So pike strike first then ask questions, while musky seem to think about it before acting.
     
    With pike your average fish might be 20-25 inches, musky 30-34 inches. IMO a 30 inch musky will out fight a 36 inch pike, the build of musky is on every aspect bigger (average local fish) than pike.
     
    The chances of you getting a 36+ inch pike are less than getting a 40+ musky. I got caught many pike 36-42 inch they are around, not very many of them (in terms of numbers), but overall a musky over 40 inches is easier to catch than a three foot pike.
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    Re:Advice for upcoming charter 2012/09/18 15:56:30 (permalink)
    Thanks, dude!

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