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2012/08/26 17:50:24 (permalink)

Altmar school

Well there was a meeting the other night on the possible sale of the school.   There were quite a few ignorant arguments on why the bid should be turned down and if the buyer would "fit" the community.
Lets make a little game of the possible bidder of the property.
A: Comfort Suits  plans on buying it and converting it to a hotel
B:  DSR  wants to buy it to make a Lodge and another pay to fish spot
c:  Biospherix   a company based in Lacona NY wants to buy it to expend their production abilities
D:  Oneida Indian Reservation wants to buy it to make a high dollar hunting and fishing retreat.
 
I will reveal all later.
Clint

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    retired guy
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/26 21:00:26 (permalink)
    I'll opt for the Indians- and pay to play too with the river frontage - How much land they gonna buy or lease for hunting ??? Taxes ???
     Nice set of choices Clint- should be fun.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/26 21:02:54
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/26 21:12:15 (permalink)
    yea that sale worries me
    right accross from the camp it could seriously crap the easy fishing access
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 04:34:56 (permalink)
    Well based on most folks I know from altmar (not fisherman)... they don't want much to change in their town,so i could see most locals being opposed to any of the four candidates... I am going to guess comfort Suites... looking forward to the actual answer clint... wish I knew about the meeting as I would have loved to sit in and listen

    Imho, I would rather see something going there that has nothing to do with the fishing or the fishing economy. There is enough drama and turf wars up there as it is. All the complaining is getting pretty old as it is.... would hate to have a whole new pot of hot mess get stirred up.... that's the last thing that fishery needs
    post edited by dimebrite - 2012/08/27 04:57:18
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    Clint S
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 06:55:06 (permalink)
    I will take away one and give the skinny when I get home from work.   
     It is NOT the DSR.   

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 07:24:16 (permalink)
    Hard as it is to imagine a company expanding actual mfg.ing  in upstate NY, I'll put on the rose colored glasses and hope it's the biomedical company.  Like Dime, I hope it's a not a mess in the making.
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 07:56:49 (permalink)
    There are NYSDEC Easements or Public Fishing Rights continuously from Altmar to Pineville on the Right bank (the convention is looking downstream).  I hardly think anyone is going to open any kind of exclusive and private fishing spot up there.  I vote for the biomed, they can adapt the building to their needs without having to meet tons of codes, and for anything where you rent a room, there are a lot of codes, so cost to renovate or convert could be prohibitive.
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 08:51:33 (permalink)
    DSR North, just what the fishing community needs. 
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 10:10:48 (permalink)
    I'm going with the Oneida casino/hotel where after they take most of your money you may go pay to fish? Trying to think outside the box.
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 11:14:22 (permalink)
    I say Biomed, that could help out the town by creating some jobs for the locals as well as boost the area gas station/food mart (little luckeys). Let alone how cool would that be to go out back and hook salmon/steelhead on your lunch break if you worked there?
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 12:16:03 (permalink)
    once they flush some of the waste into the stream we might be getting 3 eyed 75lb kings....sweet ;P
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 12:31:43 (permalink)
    I don't think that'll happen Bear. Encon would be all over that like a wet fart. Just look at their record on nailing people for illegal dumping, that's how they pay for everything, not arresting some Russian for yanking sharks. The fines are much bigger than any poacher fines. So i'm sure they'll watch that like a hawk considering their big interest just upstream
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 16:15:22 (permalink)
    lol..i know just trying to add some humor
    seriously, of the possible list given that would be the one i would like to see there
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 16:44:47 (permalink)
    Heard early on that the Tribe was interested for use as some kinda high end place for customers. Not a bad idea for them to have a spot with such great fishing for High rollers of other customers  besides just  the casinos down Syracuse way- specially with a bit of PVT river frontage for them- even if the other side is for us all to use..
      Just hope if that happens they are NOT tax free in that kinda situation as Altmar could use the money. Think they will be lucky to sell the school to anybody at any price though.
      Actually seems like a best case kinda scenario to me-  other business will certainly have trouble getting  a trained work force up there-- Its simply a bridge too far for  any number of likely employees with specific skills.
      Aint like movin into a City or population heavy area where many skills and varied workforce  are readily available. Factory may be best but kinda think its unlikely.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/27 16:46:15
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 18:54:28 (permalink)
    Survey says...................................................................................................
    Biospherix
     
    They are a local company from Lacona right up the road they make medical grade cell incubation equipment.   I never knew they were around.
      http://www.biospherix.com/en/equipment.html
    My neighbor who is in the town politics went to the meeting and showed me the proposal.   He said there were a few folks talking about medical waste and such.   There will be none, they manufacture equipment that is all.   Others were talking (if you can believe it)  about not wanting a manufacturing  business right in town as it take away from their small town living.  
    I hope it goes through as we could use the tax base for the school and the jobs.    IMHO we should GIVE the school to them at a reduced price if need be just to get it off our books and onto the tax rolls.

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 20:36:26 (permalink)
    Clint that is GREAT news !! I sure hope that goes through..
    Win Win for everyone there..

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 20:36:57 (permalink)
    Good deal for Altmar either way Clint. Anything is better than an old run down building a few years from now with no body using it. This way we likely still get to use the River back there too.
     Mayee they can make some friends letting the FD or a similar local group use part of the lot for fisherman parking and keep the fees for improvements.  We have had similar things happen here and it really helps out with local perceptions.
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 20:41:59 (permalink)
    I hope it remains NO Parking.. Kinda keeps the tired folks from walking in from the Public lot.. I have snow shoes..

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 20:54:46 (permalink)
    I am crossing my fingers that it goes through.  I was surprised when my neighbor told me how many people were speaking against it.   I have also heard the school is reluctant to sell.  The reason I do not know.   Every minute that building sits there it costs the taxpayers money and it gets tougher to sell as an unused building degrades much quocker.

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 20:55:29 (permalink)
    wish I could still do that------
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 21:26:15 (permalink)
    Come on rt. you x country ski . I'm sure you can still walk the 1/8 mile from the public lot then the little jaunt to the river. I already see tons of trash back there and it don't have legs. We don't need more easy access.

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 21:51:05 (permalink)
    I does get harder the older we get , but I know the walks are good for me and the anticipation during the walk can't be beat.  

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/27 22:44:40 (permalink)
    Good news. I hope it goes through. Thanks for the reporting, Clint.I've climbed  over 15' mounds in the back of the lot and broke trail through 4' to get back there. I'm glad I might have a shot at doing it again.
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/08/28 06:59:33 (permalink)
    A boost for the economy and hopefully some decent paying jobs. that would be a welcomed site anywhere in the US right now.
     
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/12/20 18:57:15 (permalink)
    Well I have been hearing some rumors that the Altmar school has been sold or there is a pending sale.   Now I see a thread on SC as well.   I will ask my dad tomorrow if he has head anything from his teacher friends.   Looks like they own to the middle of the river , upper 1/3 of the south side of the barrel.   Also looks like no PFR on that side either.
    http://www.dec.ny.gov/doc...ne_pdf/r7salrivpfr.pdf

    post edited by Clint S - 2012/12/20 19:05:01

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/12/20 19:13:11 (permalink)
    Wow Clint interesting property lines along the river- After seein that it would seem any kinda pay to play is pretty much NOT the case here.
       Hope Bio is still on the plate. Great for local eateries and stores too that way. Tax base too.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/12/20 19:16:01
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/12/20 19:42:08 (permalink)
    BUT with no PFR  from the bridge down on that side all that would need to be done is lease the Adjoining property like the DSR does..................
     
    Will post back if I hear anything.

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/12/20 21:25:17 (permalink)
    I'm probably not in 'sync' with a lot of folks but am kinda sensing a bit of DSR phobia goin around.
     Yes- they do have way downriver- but first  it was the Ball Park rumors and Now Altmar too. Might be the beginning of the end for the SR if all that became P to P.
      Somebody else trying the same thing - I could buy into that- But Hmmmm they would NOT need to spend their dough on the School - They could lease anyplace else and put up a Shoonie size building to sell their tickets and be half a million ahead with NO property tax issues. So Homey aint buyin into dat.
     Just sayn--
      I'm gonna stick with the Bio thingie ( and a tax free period of 5 to 10 years for bait) that  building fits their style more than any fishing Hotel or similar venture.    
        Heck Portly went under as have a few along the lake too- Not enough year round business to pay the bills. Aside from Fishin Altmar aint exactly a 'Destination". Can just see it now="hey kids Disney or Altmar this year??"
     Poor little Altmar gotta know they are wayyy ahead of the  game  with any  sale going forward. Most all towns and Cities do those tax incentives.
         Also such a lease on the North side would have been purchased and filed BEFORE anyone in their right mind would spend half a mill plus refurbishments on the building with only  intentions of maybe gettin such a lease.
       . I wish them well and am  happy they managed so quick a deal.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/12/20 21:40:38
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    Re:Altmar school 2012/12/20 21:43:01 (permalink)
    RG, no phobia here and I am with you. With IMHO better fishing and public access on the other side , it would be far from an optimal spot for a P to fish spot.  
    BUT  I am just sayn too........  there is no "public" access on that side.
     
    As far as the Bio thing they are leaning away from the Altmar school last I heard and more leaning towards the newer, closer to 81  Parish school, but time will tell who the buyer is.
     
    But like my grandpa used to say......
    "If if and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas"
    IF  someone buys it we will see what they do with it,  BUT in the meantime we will have to wait and see.

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    Re:Altmar school 2012/12/20 21:59:18 (permalink)
      Really hope it sells Clint- Altmar isnt the kind of Town with a big Cash reserve. Heck a year or two back they were talking about folding because of some minimal labor costs - Highway and Fire as I recall.
     Would seem that just the continuing costs  of the School would seem prohibitive for them- that or lettin it rot.
      A sale would be great for them and likely a nice shot in the fiscal arm in tough times.
     
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