Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc.

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2012/05/08 14:31:23 (permalink)

Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc.

During my recent trip to Cabela's I took a look at some of the inflatables that they had. Looking to broaden my fishing opportunities on some of the small ponds and lakes in my area, White Pond, Fahnstock & Taghkanic State Parks, Slyvan Lake, etc. To those who have experience, What's good?, Not so good? How durable are these things? Has anyone had experience with the two/three man crafts used on bigger rivers?

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Gerry
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 15:01:10 (permalink)
    I have 2 of the 1 man inflatable pontoons...bigger is better with them.

    Here's the first: ODC sport
    It works, but the shorter oars without oar locks are not very efficient.

    Here's the second: Colorado 'toon
    I like it better for the higher capacity, nicer metal rack, better oars (longer & with locks) plus it has a mounting plate for a trolling motor on the back, along with rod holders & an anchor system.

    Overall, they work good, although I don't use them on very fast water. (french creek in NWPA)
    Have yet to spring a leak...pretty durable.
    They are slow going compared to a canoe or kayak...
    if you're taking a trip with faster craft, be prepared to bring up the rear...alone.
    (that's why I got 2)

    "If you ever get hit with a bucket of fish, be sure to close your eyes." ><)))*>
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 15:14:07 (permalink)
    Gerry, I've floated trout and smallie rivers many times  in friend's Star rafts. They are comftorable, stable platforms. Less roomy than a driftboat, but less money, lighter, easier to get on a trailer solo, less draft. Surprisingly ,  they are pretty responsive to the oars. I managed to get back upstream on some riffle water. I'd also look at a tandem platform Outcast 'toon. Well made products, and a little more portable, as they can be broken down. I rowed a friend's a month ago on San Diego Bay and it was excellent. Star for durability, Outcast for portability , in my opinion. My favorite to fish out of on stillwater is by far my kickboat. Bellyboat is a misnomer- those step-through nightmares are a thing of the past. U-boats are the way to go. I have a Fishcat LCS-4 deluxe that has 300-400 hrs. on it. It's what appears in my recent  trout post. I spent 7 days catching a couple hundred fish of 10 species (including  small shark and bonefish in San Diego Bay last month. It handled the wakes of Ocean Liners and U.S. Navy Destroyers. Last trip I saw the USS Enterprise come into port. With the use of Force Fins (developed for the Navy Seals) you can cover ground. Having hands free is a HUGE plus for flyfishing. They respond instantaneously to the least movement of your fins, making them very fishing friendly. I only have experience with higher end float tubes, but I've never had problems. I have many tips that i can offer for their use, but you're still shopping, so I'll quit running my mouth.
     
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 15:39:57 (permalink)
    Charlie & Pork, I appreciate any and all input so don't worry about being verbose. Cabela's had a coupon sale for a Creek Company 2000 kit with pump and fins for $75. It a u-boat shape (not a belly boat, sorry for using the terminology applied when they first came out) that has a lifetime warranty. I've looked at the ODC Ultra light 420 by Creek Company and like some of its features. The Fish Cat series particularly the Fat Cat is also very appealing with a heavier denier (600) material and load capacity (5 yr warranty) . I do like the newer models that place you higher up out of the water to facilitate casting. As with anything I do, I like to make a well informed, educated decision prior to making a choice. Thanks for your input.

    Gerry

    P.S. Charlie when you packed up Sleeping Beauty did you carry your inflatable with you?
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 16:11:02 (permalink)
    TB, i have a 2 man pontoon with a back platform for motor/anchor/storage, and a front standing platform for casting. It is pretty nice. Great for delaware, lakes, salmon river, etc...
    . its a little heavy and cumbersome but with 2 people it is no problem. It is definitely not made for backpacking if thats your intention. It rides really high in the water and steers very accurately. It can also be converted in to a one man pontoon very easily. I usually take it down the salmon river during dam releases and sometimes for late spring steelhead. This year i hope to get it out for small mouths on the SR and possibly a few other spots in pond/lagoon areas near river mouths in oswego/jefferson counties... good luck with your purchase and tight lines
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 16:16:53 (permalink)
    Dime, After making my original post I realized that I should have bifurcated the two items. The two man pontoon would be ideal for the Delaware, Housatonic, and Salmon river. The u-boat better suited for ponds and lakes or backpacking to remote areas when fishing solo. Is your craft a Fish Cat or other?
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 16:34:37 (permalink)
    P.S. Charlie when you packed up Sleeping Beauty did you carry your inflatable with you?




    Gerry, I didn't know what the trail was like, so I brought my ultra-light pack raft. Had I known in advance that the trail wasn't difficult I would have brought  the float tube. My fish count would have gone up considerably if I had. If I return there , I certainly will. Fishcat makes a model called the Trinity which a friend of mine has. It's endured alot of use in the salt and high mountain lakes. Pricey, but very good at a packable 7 lbs.  My LCS is 14. I've taken it in to remote  lakes in Ca. and Vt. , but it doesn't pack down real well and the bulk can be annoying. If you are doing a day trip-it's fine.
    The DEC officer that regularly patrols Fishbrook pond told me guys with float tubes clean up! Several people had carried canoes in and one fellow a kayak. Until I hit 45 I could haul a pack and a canoe at the same time, it would be a chore, now. 
     
    Dime, does your 'toon handle low water on the SR well?  I may bring my yak up, just to go down the river and see places I haven't got to. Of course, stopping often for smallie breaks.
     
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 16:37:20 (permalink)
    Mine is north fork/dave scadden...ive yet to take it below the ball park but plan on doing it this summer. The areas im looking to target this summer in lake O area luckily have easy launch access right from parking lots. I may navigate them by canoe first to be sure the pontoon is suitable.
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 16:53:30 (permalink)
    Charlie- The Creek Company ODC 420 Ultra Light is 8 lbs. Certainly light enough for us oldtimers to pack in. The Outcast Super Fat Cat is 16 lbs. Basically the same set up but the Outcast has a heavy denier material.
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 17:51:21 (permalink)
    Gerry, the differnce in the Trinity is 1 lb. less and  the seats are 2 blow up sections that make it pack down much smaller then the ODC 420, which has a foam seat.  If backpacking is the main objective with the float tube, I'd pay the extra for the Trinity, having used one and seen it's performance over time. The 420 looks like a great boat, though. I tend to go out for long stretches and the inflatable seats are far more comftorable than the foam seats. It's a consideration if you plan on fishing more than 4 hrs. at a stretch. My boat folds up smaller than the 420, due to the fact it has inflatable seats which can be removed. I actualy use them as a seat in my pack raft.  The other consideration is the fins. Standard float tubing fins are set up to wear with wading boots. Another thing to haul, unless you hike in them. If you use fins made for swimming  (or the force fins made for tubing) you can just use the neoprene booties on your waders or a wading sock. If it's not too cold, you can wear shorts and wading socks.
    Silly as it sounds, even with these blow up toys you need to have a CG certified  PFD in your possesion before May 1st in NY. They do issue tickets!!!!! 
     
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 18:01:25 (permalink)
    As with anything there are the accoutrements that have to be added into the equation. You know the saying, "He who dies with the most toys wins." I never liked coming in second.

    The ODC 420 Lightweight has a foam seat, the ODC 420 Ultralight has an Air seat and back.
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 18:31:34 (permalink)
    Gerry:
    I have 2 Creek Company U boats.. Want 1 ??
    I bought them about 5 years ago and they dont get much fishing use.. The wife will "chill" in one while clamming but as for fishing purpose I'd not recommend them.. Not very comfortable as they sit low and if you are a large person , all the worse..

    Now I went inflatable all the way about 10 years ago but Via Raft.. Weight is my issue when pond fishing.. My 8 lb raft with plastic oars is WAY lighter, more compact and more versatile to me than the 8 lb tube with fins & waders..
    I also have a 16 lb Raft that is an absolute BEAST.. Mother of a thing to carry (IMO) ..
    See when I go in the woods it's usually for 3 days or more..
    With the Raft I can use it as transportation to cary gear and such for portages as well..
    Pontoons, and I mean no disrespect, are no good for hike in's.. To big, to heavy and to expensive..

    If your just looking for easy access , throw it in and fish then a yak or canoe is the best bargain..


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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 18:53:44 (permalink)
    Thanks for the offer, very kind of you. I have looked at yaks and canoes and I agree that they are the best bargain provided you have easy access to the waters you plan to fish. Some on the NYC reservoirs are implementing pilot programs to use kayaks/canoes. I have looked at the Hobie Pro Angler, The Native Craft Propel Angler and the latest edition of the Nu Canoe called the Frontier. While the Native Craft and the Hobie are set up for one person and are pedal driven the Frontier can be rigged for two or solo but you have to paddle. It all comes down to your intended purpose and will it meet or exceed your needs.

    Side note: Electric Hot Tuna and special guest Steve Kimock are playing in Westbury, LI in June.
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 19:02:03 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: fichy

    P.S. Charlie when you packed up Sleeping Beauty did you carry your inflatable with you?





    Dime, does your 'toon handle low water on the SR well?  I may bring my yak up, just to go down the river and see places I haven't got to. Of course, stopping often for smallie breaks.

    Charlie


    Lowest ive done with it was 285; i suppose it may do even lower...small mouth opener is first week in june. Let me know when youre going and it would be a pleasure to float down with you. Btw, there is excellent small mouth water right in my backyard... no water craft necessary... i cant wait for june...
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/08 19:27:47 (permalink)
    I'll be up at some point.
     
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/09 12:00:02 (permalink)
    Gerry, I'll disagree with qualification, about a canoe or yak being better to fish with for ease. On small lakes and ponds if you flyfish, the hands free mobility is unequaled with a tube. That's why they are very popular amongst FLYfisherman. If you fish with a spinning rod- one hand casting, trolling, and drifting bait all start to negate the benefits of having both hands  free and (planned) quick direction changes be a plus. I have a  great yak for distance and rivers, but the float tube goes often. My raft was great to haul up to 12,000 feet, but it'll stay stored unless the trail is brutal.
    By the way- Fishcats sit above the water, not in it.
     
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/09 12:58:36 (permalink)
    Charlie- No doubt that each mode has its salient points. I like the ease and portabilty of some of the newer float tubes given that they range from 7-16 pounds depending on the make and model you choose. I also like what I consider to be the Cadillac of fishing kayaks in the Hobie Mirage Pro Angler. The only draw back is fully rigged it weights in at 138 lbs. The Hobie is more suited to a drive right to the waterside proposition unless you have a dolly and are willing to cart it to your fishing destination. Doesn't make much sense to do that when you can achieve your goals with an inflatable sans the heart attack getting there. For now the inflatable will suit my needs, just have to choose which one.

    Gerry
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    RE: Belly boats, pontoon boats, etc. 2012/05/09 18:28:49 (permalink)
    Rightfully agree to a point with Charlie and disagree about the bargain..
    It's what makes us different and that keeps the world spinning..

    Charlie is speaking the absolute truth about hands free.. He is a Fly Fisherman, I'm just a fisherman..I'll troll Wabblers, chuck spinners or throw some rope.. Don't matter to me how I fish so the all around choice for me would be a water craft that will haul gear, be portable, some what light, stable , cover water and if need be carry another angler..
    A Canoe/kayak fits all the above for a reasonable price.. Always under $300.00 on Craigs list..
    The Adirondack Staple is a Raddison..

    A 2 man (really 1) Sevylor Super Caravelle weighs in at 8 lbs and costs about $40.00.. That is my pack raft, super easy to carry.. Now I will say, the Newer ones are JUNK !! They changed the whole design..
    Mine have 5 chambers with a Boston Valve.. The new , junk ones do not..
    My beast raft is a Fish Hunter 2500 , it's SOLID but at 16 lbs , a beast !!
    I'll be looking to find something in as good a quality as the Super Carvelle in a few years.. The ones I have are 5 years old now and still perform so I;m ok in short term..

    What it really comes down to is what for , where and how you plan to use your craft..

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