mid week

That's good to hear that you got out a bit. Hope we can find a few this weekend.

Whoooo! I did not think it was that full. I like to save some of the stuff for future reference. Looks like a trip to the printer is in my future. It is for the most part clear.

Today has been the first day in over a month that it has rained a good soaking rain that has lasted any length of time.

The LFZ lot had 3 cars in it this afternoon, not counting the trailers, BUT when I went over the bridge there was a a guy landing a fish just above the pool.

Tuna I managed 1 1/2 hours of fishing the ausable catch and release area from 7 till 830this morning, there on business so that was my slot. I swung olive buggers and white zonkers with nothing then switched to pts and hairs ears and did not manage a take. Should have fished friday night but was beat from the drive and 4 hour seminar.

Just some thoughts-
     Probably repeating old stuff- bout access on the SR. On the other thread they are talking bout somebody posting and actively patrolling the 'glass hole' -throwin folks out- pvt property.
  Now ya gotta understand that if I ever fished that hole I didnt know the name of it-but have fished just about every place on the river at one time or another over bout 35 yrs on the SR.
  NO MORE-- where access isnt allowed through parking a reasonable distance from someplace or the presence of more and more NO signs it appears things continue to change with  more limited fishing .
     With State reports of fishing numbers being back up to the 'old days' this will lead to VERY crowded conditions. This will impare the experience and lead to other negative 'issues'.
   Frankly I dont personally know where to go for accurate info and have tried through Ny computer listings. WHERE is it legal to park and to fish and WHERE are there deeded rights of way to the river.  Many of the old ones had signs and trails from the roads. NOT just talking bout the obvious parking lots here that are shown on all the State literature.
   MANY if not all the old marked ( with yellow state signs) access trails have been replaced with NO signs and the roads have been posted NO PARKING as well. Between the Towns limiting parking parallel to the river and new owners posting places where ya used to be able to walk to the river too there are now huge sections that are unavailable to anyone obeying the signs.
     Try going to the staircase or most mid river areas without taking a chance on being arrested for trespass as in most you WILL have to walk right past NO signs- If ya can park anyplace at all or be limited to 2 hrs parking.
     The state apparently spent a lot of money for access and fishing rights over the years and I dont personally believe those areas are still being allowed by new owners or folks who simply decided to POST--it sucks and needs to be PROPERLY researched.
    The towns an State aint helpin things much either with all the 'no parking' signs.
     First thing I'd love to have a legal understanding of is- if somebody sold the river rights to the state do they have to allow access?  Face it -there aint much sense in being able to fish in the river if ya cant get to it. I would think that some sort of path or access MUST be implied in those deeded rights.      
   Would NOT think that access has to be from up or down stream through posted areas either...If so the rights would be useless.

sorry but dont look at many other sites unless i am looking up information... got enough going on..
RT that is quite a rant you had going there.. legit i will say to some degree.. we are always in a losing battle with time and space.. mostly our own demisetoward private property but I kind of think your on a tangent and a bit off base..
Many things come into play.. Fishing rights (PFR) does not always mean parking rights.. Whole different ball game there..
I bet I could easily walk to the Staircase without crossing NO trespassing.. Parking is another story.. Heck Park at the PUBLIC Ballpark or Black hole lot all day and walk there..
There are many PFR areas along the SR with Ample parking lots avaliable.. Crowding should not be an issue if one wishes..
Ah the Glass Hole.. That little Concrete building has had restricted parking for quite a few years now.. Last I knew was when it was a cleaning station.. Dont mean you cant walk to it from Pineville or Stoneys and still be perfectly LEGAL.. Research ,Research..

Here in lies the problem in my view..
To many people assume they can just park anywhere and walk to the outdoors where ever they wish..
Years ago we used to Knock on doors to fish or hunt areas.. Today that dont happen much or the owner is just sick of trespass and litter so the signs go up..
Still dont hurt to "ask" permission..
In reality though RT, the State Of New York has more PFR and Access to land & waters the EVER before.. This state spend MILLIONS upon millions on buying rights for people like us.. It's out there if you look ..
If you cant find what your looking for the "call" the NYSDEC and ask.. Same as knocking on their door..

you go here at least in New York

http://www.dec.ny.gov/index.html

Use the "search " in the right top and type in what you want..
It goes by "key words" so you may have to sort through..
Really I use that site more then this.. It's tons of info and you really need to dig into it but it's ALL there..

     Sorry guys dont buy into alls well---If ya can find legal parking and can get down under  the Tall bridge try walkin up stream legal---yellow NO signs everywhere--Last time I went there saw NO signs by the paths on each side of the bridge goin down too. Yellow on the East and red on the West side.
       Used to stay at Whitkers all the time for years- could drive a ways up 13 and park on the side and fish out behind the Cemetary area. There was one if not two yellow State signs with paths and clearly stated fisherman access. That 13 side is pretty much the only real fishing  area in any high water there.
        Then the No parking signs came and we would walk up from Whitakers and then the NO trespassing signs replaced the Yellow 'fisherman access signs.       
Used to be my favorite area to fish--no more= not in years.
   Last year was gonna go down on  the North side of the river by the island where Tressel North road starts. Pulled off and parked there for years. Two or three others were there ahead of me parked well off the road and they ALL had tickets on the windshield-- No more of that either.
   Now I admit part of the problem is that I cant do the walkin I could do 30 or 35 years ago and want to get as close as I used to be able to get. Two of my favored areas that I simply cant get into any more without a walk that I simply am only marginally able to do any more because of NEW NO signs and activity. Fryin my butt too.
    Pa thanks for the tip - only lurk there will have to find that and copy it and see if I can access it for the info --thanks.
     I DO NOT ever buy into that old "its the fishermans own fault' stuff with litter and bad behavior. As LE all my life I know full well that is a clear cut lack of enforcement issue- but then its just so easy to blame all and simply post NO aint it.
        With all the years of river experience has anyone here EVER heard of a litter pinch or a disturbance or trespass pinch being made- And if ya only HEARD of one or two over a period of years it dont count. A trained Chimp could fill a ticket book each day there. An I aint talkin bout snaggers.
        Seems to me that they  dont wanna shoot the golden egg layin goose - just want him to move outa sight while hes layin it. Glad this hasnt happened to any great degree YET up around Altmar.
       Sorry bout the shoutin--------

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/r7salrivpfr.pdf

Notice that there are no State PFR's below the Pulaski town line. The other pertinent question is what is the power company doing to promote public access rights, and to provide them, as they are required to do this as part of their FERC licence. It has always been my sense that they provided the access down through town, where the river is running more or less in a gorge and there is danger from the rising waters.

However, WB and I pushed, back when DSR started, for a regulation that said if the fish were stocked and your land was not accesible, for that stretch the regulation was no fishing. We did not push that one hard because the guarantee from DSR was to keep it afforfdable. So much for that!

If the alewife crapshoot goes the other way, it could all be moot, as if the bait collapses, so will the Salmon population, and there are at least a few analysts who think maybe we've just been lucky the last few years, the bait is heavily "squeezed."

L13

  Lucky- really enjoy  your educated historical  info-please dont hold back with this stuff as its very informative and educational to the rest of us. Really miss WBs input  as well. You guys who were so involved and informed about true facts of  the fishery and its history are priceless.
     Some like me were only visitors on annual trips while you guys were there and involved right from the start. Thanks and keep it up.
     On a side note --Dsr takes a heap of pressure about the $45 a day fee. 30 yrs ago it was $15. Frankly dont think that $45 today is a bigger piece of the pie than $15 was back then.   Ex- look at the price of gas-cigarettes- soda- food -fishing gear- hotel fees -  etc--they have all trippled at least in the past 30 yrs. Aint happy bout it but-just sayin---Havent fished there in a very long time but it isnt the fee keepin me away.
     I would also agree that the Town of Pulaski has gone a long way maintaining  fishermans access along the river through the upper Town and allowed parking and such for the good of the fishery in the Ballfield and Park areas. Altmar has also maintained good fishermans access- Its primarily that Middle river that irks the poop outa me.

Sometimes 1000+ people would hord down in dsr waters before it was really dsr... all out public nuisance and complete trespassing violations....litter strewned all over...cars parked everywhere.... it was all things like this that started the dsr... so its wrong in saying it takes 1 person to spoil it for everyone... sometimes it takes thousands... ive been told and would imagine its true by doing the numbers on a piece of paper...during the 15 dollar salmon access and the 10 dollar steelhead days there was zero profit and sometimes loss for them... but hey, lets not start a dsr battle for the umpteenth time again

Do you recall when the "town" started a $10.00 parking fee for the black and ball park . That didn't last long. The past is good to remember but a wise man once told me it"s more about "the now" . Things that we do now reflect the future.

I wish the Leo's would put the smack down on things better but what it all comes down to is how an individual acts. If folks showed better respect then why would we even be discussing the issue.

HT,a little off topic but on the UFZ,on another site that I visit (Paflyfish) a poster stated that three of them played with 54 and brought to hand 20+ Steel on the 19th of April,the hot fly was a San Jaun Worm.Sounds as if there are a few there yet,but it's not to be for me :(

ORIGINAL: retired guy

Its primarily that Middle river that irks the poop outa me.

RG-

But if you look at the map, the entire river has public access from one bank or the other, and for much of it both, from just above Pulaski all the way up to the FZ in Altmar, so it is just the incovenience of having to go at your spot from one of the legit parking areas and walk up or down, same as parking at Black Hole and fishing the stairs, and yes, if the Glass fishes better from the south side, that's all off limits in there, but I thought that was also the area that Keith Smith used to call the Ace in the Hole when we were on the North side, and it was all great water in there as well. But I agree, it is a long walk to a lot of it, I guess I'm more inclined to do it because there are less anglers the further I get from the lots.

If my pay had tripled in that time frame I might not be so down on $45 an hour. And I didn't usually pay when it was crazy salmon, because i had been there for Crazy Salmon before DSR and managed to catch fish on flies even with the hundreds of jerkers around(I never saw thousands there was not enough parking for that many, although around Jefferson Street there would be 80-90 guys in the long bridge, 30-40 in the stairs another 20-30 below, with similar numbers further down). I usually went down for reduced rate steelhead once DSR was there, but $45 is too much for me, especially if he's only got three cars in the lot. Supply and demand is supposed to set price and there is no demand there during chrome time but the price does not drop so neither do I.

L13

45 dollars restricts me from ever trying DSR. Don't understand how they are not a profitablle buisness as far as fishing goes.Maybe blasting jet boats through is the only way to fish there. They don 't make any money off fishing so why would they care.