Berkley worms in Delayed Harvest Artificial Lures Only

Absolutely not. Flies like sucker spawns are made of yarn are they edible ? No.
But they still get swallowed, the fish is trying to eat a power worm, more than likely hell get gut hooked, defeating the purpose of a DALO

Post a pic of them cause in confused now.

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Post a pic of them cause in confused now.

My pa gave me great advice as a boy: "If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth."



Words of wisdom.

I'm looking for the definitive rule here, not opinions.

A lot of flies are made of plastic, rubber, epoxy, etc.

I have heard some commissioners not caring and other caring, if I was you I would probably stick with a normal trout worm that wasn't scented like berkley's

You could always go the logical, intelligent route and call the regional PFBC office and ask them. It would also be wise to email them to get an answer in "writing."

From the first post:

"I've called, emailed and written the PFBC but not received a single response."

Thanks for your input though. It was very helpful and contributed a lot to the thread.

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I have heard some commissioners not caring and other caring, if I was you I would probably stick with a normal trout worm that wasn't scented like berkley's

I'm more likely to use them and then challenge it in court if/when I run into a problem.

Still, it's pretty ridiculous that's it's so difficult to find out what the regulations actually are.

You can find all federal, state and municipal laws online, along with case law, interpretations, etc. It shouldn't be so tough to find out what kind of fishing lure you can cast into a stream for god's sake.

You are dealing with the gov't; call again, email again, and write again until you get a response.  You will not find the information you seek from an internet forum.

Anyhow, you are welcome and maybe I can even help with some legal advice for your upcoming law suit.

 

And if Cold The Man's Answer isn't good enough for you... Which it isn't Sorry Cold.....

Ask this Guy he can tell you..

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My pa gave me great advice as a boy: "If you don't know what you're talking about, don't open your mouth."

Your pa should have told you that if you do not have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. I'm guessing from most of your post you missed that advice.

Well, it says molded fish eggs. That would exclude plastic eggs made by Berkley and others. But that doesn't include worms (or molded fly bodies for that matter).

The old regulations clearly excluded things like trout worms. The new ones aren't clear at all.

The regs used to say:

* Fishing may be done with artificial lures only constructed of metal, plastic, rubber, or wood or with flies or streamers constructed of natural or synthetic materials. All such lures may be used with spinning or fly fishing gear. Use of gear not described in this section is prohibited. Specifically prohibited are the use of molded facsimiles or replicas of insects, earthworms, fish eggs, fish or any invertebrate or vertebrate either singly or in combination with the other materials.
The use or possession of any natural bait, baitfish, fishbait or the use of any other fishing device other than artificial lures, flies or streamers is prohibited. *

They changed it so that only molded eggs are prohibited. Why else would they do this other than to allow for the use of things like trout worms?

It says power bait right on the package?

IN my book thats illegal, you're replacing paste with bait which again is defeating the purpose of a DALO.

As for being confused, I wasnt sure if you were using GULP or those, they both are OK but Trout Magnets will catch more fish.

Get off your high horse.

It would help if the regulations were updated to match the times, to read something like this:

Only artificial flies and lures made of metal, wood, feathers, hair, or synthetic material may be used or possessed... No lure or fly with any scent, oil, or edible enticement added onto, or impregnated into (regardless if the scent is added in the manufacturing process or applied afterward), may be used or possessed...

People are using the ambiguities in the PA reg as written (which hasn't been updated since 1, A.D.) to suit their purpose, and not the original intent of the rule. That said, PFBC owns the blame for not dusting off the books and updating said regulation. Hard to believe that for as perennially hackneyed as this debate has become (and this is but one fishing forum) the PFBC hasn't updated the regulation. Sure would save some guys a lot of anguish.

People are using the ambiguities in the PA reg as written (which hasn't been updated since 1, A.D.) to suit their purpose, and not the original intent of the rule. That said, PFBC owns the blame for not dusting off the books and updating said regulation. Hard to believe that for as perennially hackneyed as this debate has become (and this is but one fishing forum) the PFBC hasn't updated the regulation. Sure would save some guys a lot of anguish.

They updated it in 2003 actually. That's when they took out the parts about molded worms, fish, etc. I agree that it should be more clear for sure.

Fourth, yumad all the time? have a lil fun

I ain't even mad tho.

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It says power bait right on the package?

IN my book thats illegal, you're replacing paste with bait which again is defeating the purpose of a DALO.

As for being confused, I wasnt sure if you were using GULP or those, they both are OK but Trout Magnets will catch more fish.

Get off your high horse.

Dude, what in the h3ll are you even talking about? I just read through this entire thread, and I can't seem to wrap my mind around anything you are trying to say.

1. It's a plastic worm.
2. Yeah, that's the name of the company.
3. What?
4. I don't really care, I just don't understand what you're trying to say, or who you're talking to.

But no I get it, you're on such a higher level than those that fish lures and jigs now that your chucking a piece of yarn on a hook...