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2012/03/30 08:49:16 (permalink)

Illegal to fish now ???

I passed by Pike Run heading into California, PA on Tuesday and Thursday of this week.  There were at least 4 folks each time fishing at the park area.  This is NOT a delayed harvest portion of the stream and will be stocked for opening day.... if it's not already.  Shouldn't that area be closed as of now ?   I pulled into the lot, but didn't see any signs stating it was closed until opening day.   The stream is still on the list to be stocked... Washington County.
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    TastyTrout
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 08:58:33 (permalink)
    I could be wrong but I don't think Pike Run is Approved Trout Waters. Hopefully someone can give you some better info. Did you check the fish commish website?

    Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 10:23:56 (permalink)
    pike run is an approved stream all the way up to daiseytown.

    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/county.htm

    Rick
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 10:35:48 (permalink)
    Closed i fish pike run
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 10:42:15 (permalink)
    Well then maybe a deputy should make a few rounds there.  These guys obviously don't know that because they are in plain view right by the walking track.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 10:46:02 (permalink)
    I just checked the stocking schedule.  They stocked it on 03/08 for the 1st day "Common Inland Waters".   ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?  There can't be a fish left for the first day.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 10:51:41 (permalink)
    Maybe they think they won't get caught
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 11:00:29 (permalink)
    I just called it in to the SW Region.  They indeed stocked on 03/08 for the 1st day.  Anybody that fishes that for the 1st day may want to rethink it.  Sheesh.
     
    I don't think they're worried about getting caught.  I'd say it's more like ignorance of not knowing the laws.   They are in a wide open area, visible from the road, and to anybody that parks at the walking track.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 11:13:24 (permalink)
    I don't think they care. It's pretty common for people to fish Pike Run out long before the season starts. I've actually met local people who were proud to proclaim that they empty the stream out with dip nets and dynamite. I've never made a big deal out of it. If someone is hard up enough to eat a fish out of that sewage infused runoff stream to begin with they must be in pretty bad shape.

    If you have a problem with it, man up and go tell the guys fishing that the season is closed. It's not hard to do.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 11:17:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: casts_by_fly

    pike run is an approved stream all the way up to daiseytown.

    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/county.htm

    Rick



    You're correct. I pulled up Westmoreland County by accident. Clearly it wouldn't be listed there.

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 12:16:16 (permalink)
    If you have a problem with it, man up and go tell the guys fishing that the season is closed. It's not hard to do.

     
    Partner, I assure you, I don't have a problem "manning up" and telling a bunch of college kids that what they are doing is illegal.  If you re-read my 1st post, I was unsure that Pike Run was even still on the stocking list.  Why would I go running off at the yap, screaming at people, when I am unsure myself ?  That's a good way to get egg on your face.... amongst other things.  The PFBC would put signs up saying the season was closed until XXXX.  There were no signs posted there, which I'm sure added to them not knowing.  But you know what they say.... Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 12:30:26 (permalink)
    If you have a problem with it, man up and go tell the guys fishing that the season is closed. It's not hard to do.


    If nagging/harassing people about something that's none of your business is your idea of "manning up", that explains a lot.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/30 14:38:31 (permalink)
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    Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths.
    Jimmy D Moore

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/31 00:10:55 (permalink)
    If nagging/harassing people about something that's none of your business is your idea of "manning up", that explains a lot.


    Well sir, that's partly my point. I don't think it's any of my business. So that's why I wouldn't say anything to people fishing there.

    But apparently he has a problem with it. I personally think if a man has a problem he should address it himself. Some others recommended calling the fish cops. Since they're posting their opinions, I figured I'd post mine.

    There are different approaches too. Perhaps you'd simply like to let them know that they risk trouble for themselves. Others would be more aggressive. Some would call someone else to do it for them. Like I said, I'd do none of the above because I frankly don't care about 3 or 4 dozen 9" stocked trout in a sewage creek.

    Being born and raised in little California, I'm telling you that I'd be more surprised not to see anyone fishing Pike Run out of season (or not fishing the DHALO with live bait) than to see it. If you think it's bad in the park, don't head upstream!

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/31 09:35:41 (permalink)
    it is your business if you pay for a license to be able to fish for those trout come opening day!
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/31 11:14:05 (permalink)
    ^^^ agreed, if i saw someone fishing in one of my favorite streams before it was legal i would be upset.

    I think the original post was about the signs not being there. which would make it hard for someone to say something if they have no evidence ya know

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/31 11:32:13 (permalink)
    it is your business if you pay for a license to be able to fish for those trout come opening day!


    I don't. I but a license because it's required by law.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/03/31 13:32:15 (permalink)
    license money pays for those fish. ignorance to the law is no excuse
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/01 13:31:47 (permalink)
    If your speaking of Rotary Park, that place is closed till opening day however if you were about 2 or 3 miles outside of Cal, there is a delayed harvest section thats open right now.

    Ronnie
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 08:47:59 (permalink)
    If you were born and raised in little Cal, then I know you, and  99% likely that you know me.  That said, being you would know me, you would also know I'd have no problem squaring up with these folks that obviously don't know that it's currently closed to fishing.  You apparently have an agenda to fill, as you either missed some key points in my posts (such as not knowing if it had changed from approved water or not), or just want to parrot the old worn out mantra that everybody should "man up" or quit complaining.  Most that go that route are the ones behind the computer screen and have the proverbial $10 mouth, and $2 butt to back it up.
     
    To the last poster.  It is indeed Rotary Park.... at least 2 stream miles fom the DHALO area.
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 11:57:42 (permalink)
    ^^^ great pos righ deer'

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 12:13:54 (permalink)
    DuUd,

    I did read your 1st post, and you did not say you weren't sure it was still on the stocking list. In fact you clearly stated "This is NOT a delayed harvest portion of the stream and will be stocked for opening day.... if it's not already." Your subsequent posts indicate that you were disturbed by the idea that it would be "fished out" before opening day. You said nothing then ( when it might have helped", but posted here later ( where it won't).

    You could have spoken up ( not "squared up" ), even IF you were unsure. You could simply have said you believe the area to be closed, and suggest they check the regulations to avoid a citation.

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 14:00:22 (permalink)
    DuUd,

      This is NOT a delayed harvest portion of the stream and will be stocked for opening day.... if it's not already.  Shouldn't that area be closed as of now ?   I pulled into the lot, but didn't see any signs stating it was closed until opening day.


    What part of these three sentences ring unclear ?   My question....  "Shouldn't that area be closed as of now ? " should allude to the fact that I was unaware of a reg. change, and that this portion of the stream in the past, was an "Approved" water, not a DHALO.   This really isn't hard to grasp.   Being there was a slight chance that the reg. changed, and possibly may have even taken this hubcap infested sludge-hole off the stocking list, I wasn't going to pull over and let these DuUd's have it.   That's not good policy in my book.   Upon finding out that it was still on the stocking schedule, I called the SW Region to inform them of what I witnessed.  Maybe it will result in increased patrols, maybe they will put a few signs up denoting it is now off limits until the opener.  Again, what is so hard to understand ?   The prior fella just wanted to flex a "net muscle" and tell me to MAN UP. 
     
     
      You said nothing then ( when it might have helped", but posted here later ( where it won't).

     
    And what makes you so sure that posting here won't help ?   Those DuUd's may be reading this forum between their classes (more than likely Cal U boys, can't be sure though).  Combine that with a phone call, stepped up patrol, and possibly some signage, and I believe I declare you wrong in your summarization.
    post edited by Puffy - 2012/04/02 14:04:21
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 15:09:28 (permalink)
    Man up ****

     
    Man this up.   Another obvious 15-25 demographic. 
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 15:20:23 (permalink)
    This is dumb.

    I would have sat there and let them fish, whoever needs a trout that bad must have a reason.

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 16:07:34 (permalink)
    Its pike run... it happens every year in clear view and others hidden. they get busted sometimes but most of the time they dont. thats not the worst thing that happens down there trust me..... but like loomis said if u need a trout that bad go right ahead and do what you gotta do. in my opinion id rather kill a fish worth eating
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 19:35:38 (permalink)
    "I wasn't going to pull over and let these DuUd's have it. That's not good policy in my book."

    That's not what I suggested. I suggested that you might have let them know the regs as you believed them to be, and that they might want to check them to be "safe". Not confrontation "manning up", just a friedly word of advice that they may have appreciated. What's so hard to understand about THAT?

    "Those DuUd's may be reading this forum between their classes (more than likely Cal U boys, can't be sure though)."

    Yup, the odds are only about 1 in 10,000 that they are

    The PF&BC is not in the habit of posting "closed season" signs nor should they. Anglers are expected to know the rules.

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/02 19:56:06 (permalink)
    Maybe some heads were turned then with the fish commision cause they were patrolling pikes yesterday when i was fishin the delayed harvest.

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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/03 07:22:41 (permalink)
    Yup, the odds are only about 1 in 10,000 that they are

     
    Not sure where you are from, but the odds that they were college DuUd's is about 90/10.... in favor of college DuUd's.  Got nothing against college DuUd's, was one myself before most of the posters here were born, but coming from other lands, they aren't up on the rules of that stream more than likely.  That stream empties into the Mon about 1/4 mile from where the park is.  Signage would help.
     
    The PF&BC is not in the habit of posting "closed season" signs nor should they. Anglers are expected to know the rules.

     
    The PGC most certainly is in the habit of posting "closed season" signs.  At least they were.  They also smatter DHALO signs in those respective areas.  Can a guy get a GPS and follow the lat/long coordinates marking start/finish points on those streams ?  of course, if they care to go to the trouble, however, signs are a nice aid for such things.
     
     
    Glad to hear they were out and about. 
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    RE: Illegal to fish now ??? 2012/04/03 11:17:11 (permalink)
    ""Those DuUd's may be reading this forum between their classes (more than likely Cal U boys, can't be sure though)."

    Again 1 in 10,000

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