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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 10:17:13
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WOW when ya discount your 'self inflicted' accidents the numbers are really impressive considering how many folks ya have hunting so many hours in PA- Good safety job over there.
We are always gonna have a couple of blatant idiot incidents no matter where we go- but then how many do just as bad driving to the hunting grounds?
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 10:23:10
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The total number of incidents recorded during 2010 remains below the current 10-year average of 51.1 incidents per year ..... Yeah, you have to read the things carefully as they can be a bit misleading. The PGC has detailed stats by calender year from the eighties and less detailed from as far back as 1915. The quote above for example of 51.1 is comparing 2010 to the 10 years 2000 through 2009. If you take the 10 most recent years 2001-2010 the 51.1 becomes 47.3. We hunters have become a pretty safe bunch over the years compared to other outdoor activities.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 10:42:01
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Absolutely no reason in this world for "PEOPLE" being shot in mistake for game. NONE. You should loose your hunting priviledges in this state if you shoot a human being thinking it was a deer or turkey. We look like neither. People quit trespassing they might not get shot on posted private ground.... 
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 10:47:11
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WOW when ya discount your 'self inflicted' accidents the numbers are really impressive considering how many folks ya have hunting so many hours in PA It would be even more impressive if we could keep from falling down, dropping our weapon, or forgetting to keep the safe on. We average about 10 of those each year as well sometimes injuring ourselves but usually others. For all the media attention it gets we really don't shoot very many people in mistake of critters. Heck, truth be known, a few of those could be McCoy, Hatfield type incidents.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 10:54:34
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You should loose your hunting priviledges in this state if you shoot a human being thinking it was a deer or turkey. We look like neither. The last I knew the PGC took your license for 5 years for wounding and 10 years for killing someone unless they found other factors involved. Actually, based on three people I am aware of that were involved in serious shootings the shooter in all three cases imposed a lifetime ban on himself.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 11:17:35
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Thats most certainly always a background thought for L/E or at least should be. How many insurance companies WILL pay out to the family in a 'hunting accident' compared to those what will not if ya do it at home.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 12:35:25
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I really do not think the insurance idea holds much water.. many insurance companies today cover suicide after a few years of having the policy.. I know mine does  as for the hatfields and mccoys.. the cop in DuBois still thinks that is what their incident was all about. vengance ... but no proof.... A friend of mine had a "fit" a couple years ago when his son came home from a hunters ed course... the kid said the instructor told the kids.. look for flo orange before raising your weapon. He had a nice long conversation with the instructor the next morning on that one... and the instructor agreed that was not the proper thing to say... be sure of the target should ALWAYS be #1 before raising the weapon... hunters ed for sure has made a difference in the accidents with younger people... I also agree with S-10 about folks just plain quiting after shooting someone... I am aware of two such incidents in this area over the years... BUT then you have the IDIOT who killed that guy at the creek with the buck and tried to cover it up.. that was his SECOND time for shooting someone... plus he was a felon and should not have even had guns... crazy world with lots of crazy people in it !!!! #1 rule BE SAFE !!!!
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 12:38:40
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ORIGINAL: S-10
It would be even more impressive if we could keep from falling down, dropping our weapon, or forgetting to keep the safe on.
One rule I have seen broken on several occaisons,, leaning a loaded firearm against a vehicle.. The last person I mentioned it to "blew me off", I was about to relive my high school dayz as a lineman and play tackle dummy with the vehicle a bit,, but the real-dummy was not in the direct line of fire (where I though the gun would aim after I rocked the truck a bit and knocked it the ground).. good oddz that the safety was off too. DARWINIST NITWITS - IMO - deserve to look like a Fool in their Obitz, when they fall victim to their own ignorance and stupidity. No tears shed by me... No interweb angel icons from me either. Actually, I feel a bit relieved when I hear of a Darwin-event - some Clorox was tossed into the human gene pool.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 13:03:48
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BUT then you have the IDIOT who killed that guy at the creek with the buck and tried to cover it up.. that was his SECOND time for shooting someone... plus he was a felon and should not have even had guns... I think I read somewhere about that guy getting 10-15 in the slammer for that stunt.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 13:15:53
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I was taught gun safety from my Grandfather. I think if these couple rules were adhered to most of these "accidents" would go away. 1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded, that means muzzle direction. Can't kill anyone if you are not pointing it at anyone. To this day if you hand me a firearm the first thing I do is check the chamber, wether I just watched you check it or you told me it was empty, I still look for myself. Not sure how you can shoot yourself unless you have a malfunctioning firearm. I know there is nothing that gets my IRE up more than getting a muzzle of a gun pointed at me.  2. Completely identify your target as the game animal you are after before ever bringing your gun to shoulder. There can be no, I "thought I saw a deer", or "he looked like a Turkey". Two pretty basic rules that seem lost on so many.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 13:22:58
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same basic teachings I received...
dad would always say do not point any gun at something you do not want to kill.. PERIOD !!!!
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 14:52:16
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ORIGINAL: bingsbaits
I was taught gun safety from my Grandfather.
I think if these couple rules were adhered to most of these "accidents" would go away.
1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded, that means muzzle direction.
Can't kill anyone if you are not pointing it at anyone. To this day if you hand me a firearm the first thing I do is check the chamber, wether I just watched you check it or you told me it was empty, I still look for myself. Not sure how you can shoot yourself unless you have a malfunctioning firearm.
I know there is nothing that gets my IRE up more than getting a muzzle of a gun pointed at me.
2. Completely identify your target as the game animal you are after before ever bringing your gun to shoulder. There can be no, I "thought I saw a deer", or "he looked like a Turkey".
Two pretty basic rules that seem lost on so many.
I agree Bings. Like you it was my grandfather that brought me up hunting even before I was the legal age to hunt. He would let me tag along with him as soon as I got to the point where I could sit in the woods and not talk too much and ruin his hunt (he leared that the hard way!).
post edited by TastyTrout - 2012/03/04 18:07:08
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 15:01:56
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 15:05:55
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Sorry S-10. I just read through the thread and completely went off. I'm going to start another thread now.
Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths. Jimmy D Moore
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 17:20:54
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When yinz guyz gonna learn? YOU DONT NEED TO WEAR ORANGE TO POACH ANIMALS! Geesh..........
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/04 17:44:23
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ORIGINAL: bingsbaits
I was taught gun safety from my Grandfather.
I think if these couple rules were adhered to most of these "accidents" would go away.
1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded, that means muzzle direction.
Can't kill anyone if you are not pointing it at anyone. To this day if you hand me a firearm the first thing I do is check the chamber, wether I just watched you check it or you told me it was empty, I still look for myself. Not sure how you can shoot yourself unless you have a malfunctioning firearm.
I know there is nothing that gets my IRE up more than getting a muzzle of a gun pointed at me.
2. Completely identify your target as the game animal you are after before ever bringing your gun to shoulder. There can be no, I "thought I saw a deer", or "he looked like a Turkey".
Two pretty basic rules that seem lost on so many.
If I may - add a third item - to your excellent seclection list.. NEVER SCAN da WOODS or FIELDS THROUGH A RIFLE SCOPE.. do it to me , you will have ROCKY RACCOON EYEZ.. surgeon will subsequently recover gun from __________. after someone calls 911 - which won't be me.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/05 07:09:56
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I'm the same way Drake. Use a pair of Bino's if you want to see who I am. I let my uncle have it one year. His argument was that his safety was on and he didnt put the cross-hairs directly on me. I told him, I ever see that gun pointing at me again, I'm going to pull up and shoot his azz.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/05 09:17:26
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Yep 'gettin scoped' really is bout the worst- right up there with getting shot- only a twitch away. Guess its the closest thing to somebody shootin at ya when your sittin there and some passerby suddenly turns and puts his scope right on YOU. What the heck do ya do - I have shouted -yelled -screamed- got pIizzed and often wondered if I should wave an orange arm or just sit tight. Even worse than some Turkey guy movin in on ya cause ya know as soon as that Scope is on YOU your in the ZONE. NOT like it happens every day but often enough. Sometimes think that the use of Binoculars should be part of the mandated Hunter Safety courses in all States.
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/05 12:37:58
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the scary part RT is that the makers of "predator kill lights" (a.k.a - a bright LED flashlight that can be had at Wallyworld for $25 (Coleman brand) - that they sell to the "tacticool" predator night hunters at $149 & another C-note for "accessories" - upriced for that "tacticool" screen-printed Predator Hunter Logo on it ---> PT BARNUMITES).. I made mention on a predator website I sometimes visit - that the practice of mounting a light atop of scope is sacrilege to GUN SAFETY 101 and that the sponsors who are pushing the latest "crazed tacticool fad" should be ashamed of themselves for passing the gun safety buck - so they can make a buck from a bunch of tacticool fools.. that went over well... my second question: how in haydes can some of the scope-toppers positively ID/blast a critter from distances in excess of 200 yards at night - like some of heroes claimed...  that went over even better.. then for strike 3: I noted that Coyotes and other furry critters can't read - therefore they are as unimpressed with "Coleman" as they are unimpressed with "Predator Kill Light", although they do laugh at da fool that shelled out mucho blingo for the PT Barnum light.. that one made their water breakk.... ******************************************* Now I know why I hunt predators solo - day or night....an I thank my lucky stars that I am the only one in the da woods. I'll never be an xpurt, but on the other hand, I'll never be a tacticool nitwit.. GOD made barrel mounts for mounting lights - USE THEM - for KILL LIGHT PURPOSES ONLY - NEVER SCAN WITH A GUN. p.s. scanning with a gun will also get you busted quicker than quick - because you cannot control light halo as effectively as when the light is strapped to head. (something the PT Barnum marketeerz fail to mention in their glossy ads in tacticool mags... rant over...
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RE: Flourescent orange
2012/03/05 16:32:46
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Drake- lets be honest here--- THIS rant is over. Sittin here waitin on the NEXT. LOL Gettin scarey cause I'm startin ta understand what your sayin - it WAS a process though.
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