Flourescent orange

The PGC will be discussing the FO regulations this summer in an attempt to streamline them. Right now, big game firearms and small game FO regulations are consistant. Some confusion exists with archery, muzzleloader and fall turkey. I expect these will be receiving some focus.

Just wondering how others feel about changing the regulations and, if so, where the changes should be, if any.

One area is currently archers and flintlockers in the SRA do not have to wear FO during the late season while there is a concurrent antlerless firearms hunt occuring.  Just as a example.
 
If changes are made, it could be more FO or less FO for some of us.

Solid orange hat required all times while moving in all seasons where there is any orange required currently. that's it. Change law on mistaken shootings placing the burden 100% back on the shooter in all cases. I weigh 175#, I'am NOT a squirrel. I DO NOT have 3 up.

This is one case where I have empathy for those having to make the decision. You will never please everyone on this issue.

Solid orange hat required all times while moving in all seasons where there is any orange required currently. that's it. Change law on mistaken shootings placing the burden 100% back on the shooter in all cases. I weigh 175#, I'am NOT a squirrel. I DO NOT have 3 up.

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Ironhed

ORIGINAL: S-10

Solid orange hat required all times while moving in all seasons.

With or without reg, I do that and will continue to do that.

unless:

I know 4 sure there is no chance of anyone else being around (Private Property),

I am in da woods at night, no orange hat needed with red headlamp ashinin..

ORIGINAL: pghmarty

How did I ever survive wearing red or cammo.
Are people just getting dumber every generation?
30 years ago the only safety tip involving color was not to use a white handkerchief in deer season,blaze orange was just coming out but optional

We are old grumpy men,,

who can't understand how all this high-tech-gadgetry has turned many folks into nitwits...
scary part is that they are armed & dangerous..

Hunters there KNOW it isnt being worn and adjust their mentality to that fact. Remember that PA fella recently shot while gutting out after havin taken his orange off. Wellll in a place where ya dont have to wear it mayhaps the shooter woulda taken a second look

That's my problem with assigning a percentage of the blame to the victim. The shooter is the one who pulls the trigger and (all orange or no orange) a man is still not a game animal. The last I knew there were 10 states that did not require any orange, NY being one of them.

Even amoung the ones that require orange there is such a hodge podge of different requirments you can see most rules were knee jerk reactions to accidents or the politics of the day. I don't want to get shot but neither do I want to glow in the dark. Make the rules a sensible minimum and let those who want to wear more do so.

There should be some consistancy in the rules during EML week for sure.

It makes absolutely no sense that a muzzleloader hunter has to wear 250 square inches while sitting in a treestand while an archer can take his off. It should be one way or the other just for that week.

In NY, I usually only wear orange while walking and rarely while on stand. It seems that most hunters I see wear orange there during gun season.w_w.

That is exactly the kind of illogical ( dr spock imitation) thought process thats so often brought into the Outdoor world -hopefully by folks unfamiliar with Hunting as opposed to those  who are supposed to 'know'.
 Betcha ( sarah palin imitation) somebody figured Arrows arent as deadly as Guns  == go figure.

I have hunted almost 58 years and the "strangest" hunter I ever saw wore the green/black or red/black Woolrich outfits. All he did was walk, walk, walk. On any given day I would see him in front of me, back of me, left, right. He was the best deer mover for me. I finally left the area for him to do his thing because I was worried that I would have him in the line of fire no matter where the deer was I was aiming at. Ever see a hunter in green/black walking along a stand of pines? Not a good thing for sure.

I inherited my dad's 100% green Woolrich and would never wear them in the woods. An accident waiting to happen.

speaking of orange... we should have a three day doe season in rifle and wear the required amount.

I would just like to see some choice being given to archery and/or turkey hunters on private land. First came the back tag common sense, however late it was. I'd like to see archers get the choice of any orange at all while they're on private land.

To put what we are talking about in perspective----over the last 10 years all seasons combined the average number of people shot in mistake of game each year in Pennsylvania is 11. Three were wearing orange and eight were wearing camo.

Your idea is probably more likely to happen than mine. I'am asking them to take a pretty big bite all at once. Interesting that I had folks asking why I liked hunting as it was so dangerous at the same time we were helping their young daughters up on one of our horses for the first time ever. I didn't have the heart (or want to lose the business) to tell them the odds of their kids getting hurt or killed as a result of riding a horse vs mine while hunting.

Not so sure this is NOT a little misleading..

over the last 10 years all seasons combined the average number of people shot in mistake of game each year in Pennsylvania is 11.

In 2010 there were 42 hunting-related shooting incidents, this was a 27% percent increase over the previous year.



That's 75 shooting incidents in just the past 2 years....


... a rise in the number of spring turkey hunting incidents, 10, as compared to eight in 2009


... 15 deer hunting incidents compared to 12 in 2009

The total number of incidents in 2010 was below the current 10-year average of 51.1 incidents per year,


I'm not so sure I want any of the current flo orange rules changed... and I definitely do not agree with private property being any different that public..

Most of the accidents around here or that I am aware of happened on private land..

I think guys hunting on public gamelands, for example, are more aware of the fact they have a much higher chance of seeing or encounting other hunters and just may be a little more cautious

IMHO == too many time guys that are hunting private land, leases, etc may think they are the only ones hunting there and MAY be less cautious, thinking they are alone on the property.

The DuBois cop and son who were shot for "turkeys" 2 years ago saw the guy who shot them.. he was sitting under a no tresspassing sign !!!!!..

The pregnant lady in the car from a few years ago was from a hunter on private property


The guy mentioned above (found lying in the creek) was on private land..


the teenager killed in spring turkey near here 5 years ago was on private property and at 35 yards !!!...


I'm also not so sure flo orange is that great of an answer either though ..


it's just that IMHO too many guys, for what ever reason, appear to be less cautious than before...

I believe it is more and more about the harvest rather than the hunt...

to be successful and a great hunter , you have to get the kill .. A guy just can in no way be considered a good deer hunter, for example, if he/she does not kill a buck every couple years... so some might not be as cautious as they should be so they do get that deer they think they see that may be a record book buck...



I feel the sense of having to harvest a game animal over weighs their sense of caution and especially in the handling of a weapon or being sure of the target and what is beyond it before shooting...

So is hunting safe.. sure to all the safe hunters..... those shot or who have lost a loved one = not sure they would say yes...

the person pulling the trigger = not so sure they would agree either...
and would be the first to say it was not their fault....

The figures are from the annual report from the PGC for 2010...

I can't find 2011 figures yet???


and I agree 100% that the ENTIRE "blame" should be on the guy pulling the trigger...

and yes hunting, as a whole, is safe, but it only takes one bad decision to put a "black eye" on the sport... especially when the media gets hold of the incident and starts to report it....