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2012/02/06 16:53:18 (permalink)

new reg?

I was told that a new reg for NY was acted on stating that NO FELT SOLE WADERS were to be used in there waters. Is that true and if so did it go into effect yet. I am going up later this week and should I buy now boots. I wear felt with cleats.
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    dimebrite
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 17:04:25 (permalink)
    Sarge, don't know myself but someone will fill in on your answer sooner than later...on the other hand, most importantly; hope you hit em good and have a good time, I believe the weather is supposed to be decent and flows should be in your favor by then. Good luck
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 17:16:56 (permalink)
    Am sure its coming- they have done it elsewhere- will cost me every pair of boots and waders I own Including the wifes and grand kids stuff and those I keep for company as well. If I stay on the cheap side at least half dozen pair-  bout a grand easy.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 17:21:59 (permalink)
    Vermont, Rhode Island and Maryland are the closest states that  have banned felt soles so far.Some wader mfgs. like Simms and Orvis stopped producing products with felt, but are now starting up again. The reason is to stop the spread of invasive species, mostly an algae called Didymo that has taken hold in a number of rivers around the country. It's commonly called rock snot. The theory is the spores travel in felt and are spread  to other waters by fishermen not disinfecting their gear. New York isn't on board with the ban yet. NYC has the right to ban the use of felt in its waters. Here's a link that breaks it down  http://www.stopans.org/Felt_Bans.htm  
    Don't get rid of your felt yet.  Oddly, insurance companies may step in and have an influence, along with the mfgs. and the general fishing populace.  Rubber soles have caused numerous falls and broken bones. I've switched over, as I travel to many places to fish, including some that have had the Didymo for years. Without cleats installed, they SUCK. I can't emphasize that enough. They F'in SUCK.  With cleats, or carbide studs, they are OK, otherwise I wouldn't be in the 34 degree SR now.   The rubber soles are a vast improvement in sand and for not picking up snow and ice, and also provide some traction in leaves and grass, which felt isn't good on. On slippery rocks with the rubber soles, you might as well get on your knees and pray, you're goin' down anyway.





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    post edited by fichy - 2012/02/06 17:35:02
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    troutbum21
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 17:48:36 (permalink)
    I had a pair of Simms wading boots with Aquastealth vibram soles that I purchsed a few years back. Finally gave them a try after putting the carbide studs on them. I was very pleased with how they performed. Much more comfortable than the Korker wading sandals.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 18:10:51 (permalink)
    Gerry, I agree with the comfort. I had the misfortune of having a pair of LL beans when the rubber first came out, and a pair of Simms which I fished without studs. I wouldn't wear mine without studs or the screw in cleats ever again.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 18:30:52 (permalink)
    Started out two seasons ago with boot foot neoprene. Bought first pair of breathable stockingfoot and felt/studded shoes at Pineville this past season. Price was right and was reassured that no ban in the works. My buddy had no problem tracking me as my dinner plate size tracks in snow were down to grass. Felt is no fun in winter on steep banks even with cleats. New pair ,rubber,/w cleats will be bought at Cabela's this weekend.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 19:17:59 (permalink)
    I sure hope NY don't ban felts..
    As Fichy said it all..
    My thought is anglers should be responsible and not let others make decisions for us.
    I mean really let's take care of our outdoors recreation.. RT

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 19:40:12 (permalink)

    If they enforce the reg like they do snagging or littering it will be a huge success.


    I bought my first set of corkers this fall and I do not know how I lived so many years without them. I can cross places with ease that my buddy with felt bottoms will not even dare. I know they are a bit heavy, but worth every ounce of weight.
    post edited by Clint S - 2012/02/06 19:45:21
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 21:19:39 (permalink)
    I understand the intent and its good- but the reality is that many of us do not use those boots anyplace but the SR.---if it aint already there we aint addin it.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 21:43:40 (permalink)
    I use  rubber soles to comply, and as I said, they work better in snow and in the surf, but, shoving more regs down peoples throats is kind of ridiculous. Trout Unlimited was the main mover behind this. Vermont is already waffling on their ban. I doubt tickets will be issued. TU and Simms had a deal worked out, as they were the first ones to go all rubber. Didn't quite gain the traction they hoped, so now they jumped back into making felt boots. Somebodies a-hole got sore on this one. A gradual phasing out with some more improvements and lots of leeway is the way to go. Didymo is in my home river, the Battenkill, and the most heavily infected river in the US. the South Holston in eastern Tenn., I fished at least a week a year for near 20 years. And no, it wasn't me. I soaked my boots in bleach after I came home. There's also mud snails and whirling disease and  several other harmful passengers on wading shoes. Keep your felts til they fall off.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/06 22:42:38 (permalink)
    in the esopus creek all state access points have warning signs about rock snot and cleaning waders in bleach even if you don't have felts.not in the regs. yet but would not be shocked if its in next year.they have been talking about it for a few years now.

    a jerk on one end of a line waiting for a jerk on the other!
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 05:51:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Clint S

    I bought my first set of corkers this fall and I do not know how I lived so many years without them. I can cross places with ease that my buddy with felt bottoms will not even dare. I know they are a bit heavy, but worth every ounce of weight.


    +1

    Clint - alot of guys donot care for them because:
    1) yes they are a bit heavy, but the strapless models are bulletproof,
    2) they are fugly, and will never grace the front of a LLBean, Orvis, or Simms webpage, therefore are automatically rejected by the fashion-conscious metro-polly-teen-anglers.

    but they miss the facts that:

    1)Besides anchoring your feet while wading, they allow you to traverse up/down slippery river banks like a Billy Goat - thru mud,snow,or solid ice.
    2)You can strap them over any footwear - includding old sneakers for summer wet wading.


    Mine are ten years old and still going strong. Not sure when I will ever pop the box on the backup pair I bought 7 years ago.

    Your Korkers will serve you well.

    *********************
    as far as this BS REG:

    IMO - it is a crock of chit and I don't doubt that somehow the wading shoes manufacturers pushed for this to increase their sales when the masses fell for this bureaucratic nonsense.

    I'd like to know if the microscopic didymo critters know enough to not attach to the seams, boot laces, and other little nooks & crannies in the boots and waders, as well as any clothing like a coat,short sleeve, ot even fanny pack that may take a dip.

    Bleach?? yeah right, I'm going to bleach my stuff and destroy it... hahahahahaha

    If when, the felt ban comes to fruition in NY and/or PA, I will

    take a grinder to the bottom of my felt waders, grind the felts off, then had a shoe cobbler reattach regular soles of some sort. I am not buying new PT Barnum wading shoes until the three pair of mine eventually give up the ghost via old age.

    So, in summary, I'll be the guy with the ground-down wading boots, wearing korkers(btw the porous material of the korker straps can probably hold 1/2 million didymo critters).

    I'll try to atone for my didymo smuggling sins, maybe I'll tote my 12ga and blow away every waterfowl I see - the real didymo transporters...

    BS Bandaid Regs (that fix nothing) are laughable at best, ignorable in my book.

    Besides, we are all going to die from man-made global warming within the nest 10 years anyway - the SCIENTISTS SAY SO !!! - IT MUST BE TWUE!!! IT MUST BE TWUE!!!

    later

    post edited by draketrutta - 2012/02/07 05:58:16
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 08:11:21 (permalink)
    I see no regs on the dec site. http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/265.html

    I got vibram soles wiff cleats last year because I needed new boots. Not totally useless but not felt with studs I can say fo sho.. Would be great in snow and all that but who gets that anymore?

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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 08:16:52 (permalink)
    Some cobblers already are offering the sole replacement service, but it is expensive. Around 70.00 as of now.
    The bleach solution, or 409 cleaner, works on many organisms (Didymo ain't the only thing). It's a 10% solution -not trying to make your boots a dumb blonde.   A number of places in Wyo. and Mont. have troughs at accesses  to wash your **** off. Whirling disease and a few of the other viruses can do a number. The didymo spores have to remain wet to survive. Thus they travel great in felt which stays wet while everything else dries out. So a pair of felts in a trunk driving north from Tn. is a good carrier, whereas a duck takes to F'in long to get the job done. If you dry the felts out- like  only fishing once a month, or never travel- not a problem. The didymo only takes hold in relatively sterile, cold,  freestone rivers.  The SR would never get it.
     
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 08:37:00 (permalink)
    yup- they got those foot washers on the gunny on Md. I hear. Time for retrobution today. I be slinging uglies till my arm falls off.

    Lyrical
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 09:37:25 (permalink)
    Slammo, there's a crowded little river. Too close to the  Capital of Crime.  The Savage, out in W. Maryland does have  the Didymo.  I met a guy on the SR the other day, who lives on it. I may have to check it out next time I drive south.  I did fish the  Powderpuff. It's OK. Hope you hang a gator. 
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 10:57:57 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: fichy

    Some cobblers already are offering the sole replacement service, but it is expensive. Around 70.00 as of now.
    The bleach solution, or 409 cleaner, works on many organisms (Didymo ain't the only thing). It's a 10% solution -not trying to make your boots a dumb blonde.   A number of places in Wyo. and Mont. have troughs at accesses  to wash your **** off. Whirling disease and a few of the other viruses can do a number. The didymo spores have to remain wet to survive. Thus they travel great in felt which stays wet while everything else dries out. So a pair of felts in a trunk driving north from Tn. is a good carrier, whereas a duck takes to F'in long to get the job done. If you dry the felts out- like  only fishing once a month, or never travel- not a problem. The didymo only takes hold in relatively sterile, cold,  freestone rivers.  The SR would never get it.

    Charlie


    My cobbler/seamstress works alot cheaper than dat.

    I usually stay within a single watershed area and my stuff is dry before I venture forth to others - if not, I will rotate with spare pairs. I'ze gotz the pristine NATIVE brookie streams in my immediate neck of the woods too - and they are pristine (like drinking quality). No snot here.

    If the guy that pours that "stuff" in the troughs measures as accurately as I do when adding ingredients when cooking, consider them waders Marilyn Monroe Blondeeee cooked...

    p.s.

    some ducks are so wet behind the ears that didymo can take a trip around the world and
    overfill their **** book wiff stamps - as predicted..

    later

    post edited by draketrutta - 2012/02/07 11:06:09
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 11:21:04 (permalink)
    I was referring to ducks on the east-west flyway.
    Fire away.
     
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 12:46:44 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: fichy

    I was referring to ducks on the east-west flyway.
    Fire away.

    Charlie


    well, excuse me, I had an Elmer Fudd moment - and should have been talkin wabbits...
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 19:07:20 (permalink)
    Wish I fished enough to worry about it. My shoes always have time to dry thoroughly.Buying rubber soled, cleated shoes this weekend. Last trip it took me 20 minutes to climb back up a steep bank with felt w/cleats. Almost made it twice then had to start all over again. May start carrying a rope too.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/07 23:35:30 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: pistolpete76

    Wish I fished enough to worry about it. My shoes always have time to dry thoroughly.Buying rubber soled, cleated shoes this weekend. Last trip it took me 20 minutes to climb back up a steep bank with felt w/cleats. Almost made it twice then had to start all over again. May start carrying a rope too.


    Wading staff - not the collapsible types - that will collapse on you when least expected.

    Broom handle with a rope - old school bulletproof third leg.
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/08 05:43:58 (permalink)
    thanks
    Im heading up tommorrow for the weekend I will get in contact with my brother and tell him to go and buy a new pair with the felt like some of the others we too fish the salmon most of the time and when we do go else where our stuff is dried out
    thanks again hope to see you all some time
    semper fi
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    RE: new reg? 2012/02/09 20:58:48 (permalink)
    I took a ride to Cabela's (Hartford, CT) today and looked at the house brand wading shoe. They have the vibram soles and come with Chota studs to put on if you wish. Moderately priced at $99.99
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