ORIGINAL: fichy

This is not the thread for it. And you're right, I wouldn't throw random insults.  Life's too short to have people F... with your head.

I skipped over the crocodile tears above this statement, and won't muck up your thread any further, but my ROCKS were not random insults.

If certain folks want to play ball, they better put some extra padding their catcher's mitt cause the return throw will come across the plate with a meteor tracer from the heat. Otherwise, they should STFU and not play the victimhood card afterwards.

back to the regularly-scheduled programming.

Threats?  Sorry, I don't play games, so the analogy doesn't fit.
Without some LE teeth behind the clean-ups, no matter who does them, the ****'ll just pile up again. To me, it's got to be a combination of public and private, and a little active punishment for the repeat offenders to work.
There's no doubt winter steelheaders are a little bit better about policing themselves, but there's some campfire rings with lots of trash left around them . I'm sure the same people are there in shark season, too. I'm not for picking up after the azzholes over and over again. I saw this work on a river in Tn. and one in Ca. , it may work here. I'm going to try and work up a petition and get some people in my area to participate. If it works out, maybe I'll try something in Altmar to start. Or if somebody else wants to do one there, that's good. Thanks for providing the initiative, Trev.  Everyone has different perspectives and opinions. Trying to reach a consensus here is kind of like Congress.   Not the place to reach agreements.  Nothing gets done.
 
Charlie
 

Charlie-
Gotta wonder why one  at each of the tackle shops wouldnt work out- cant see where they would  deny permission. Would be in their best interest too.
More signatures would happen in Shark season but  we want the State to be acting by then so NOW is the time.
In shark season perhaps one by the door- (pen attached) -where  folks could see it. That may make a nice 'second round'.  Just an aniti litter petition in clear view may have a bit of impact in and of itself. Great idea Charlie - get the businesses involved too.
  As far as consensus goes - think we are all goin to the same place but sometimes by different roads. Thats OK too.

DSR and the guides make eminent sense. More
ECONOMIC IMPACT.
I wonder if Clint could ask his CO neighbor his take, and what he thinks could be done. It's his job that would be affected and I bet he has some ideas.
 
Charlie 

Very informal. Just to get an idea of what the guy who's actually out there would like to see, No playing Jr. journalist and using quotes. Just a neighbor asking his very informed opinion to maybe lend a direction.  I imagine littering tickets have to be low priority,  compared to dealing with  ignorant d-bag poachers  and drunk, belligerent snaggers .

From what I know of matt, he seems to be a common sense type of guy when it comes to issues. He handled the illegal breach of wetlands I witnessed in a sensible manner. I wouldn't expect a concrete answer from him but im sure he would have some good insight and a good angle/direction to steer one towards regarding the issue at stake here... so clint, I hereby give you permission to talk to him...(just kidding and winking back at fichy...)

Sometime in the fall didn't Lotac post on here with a raffle? That's a great idea. They've got a presence already.   I got the form e-mail back. This needs to have enough power to get kicked  up the ladder about 10 rungs. Maybe the  DEC could be convinced to hold a public hearing.
 
Charlie

Drake, what I've said is it's a combination. What I envision is some signs in prominent places talking about the litter and its consequences. Maybe some  parking lot dumpsters in shark season to go along with the porta-johns. In conjunction with some patrolling and fines to get a mindset in place, and the individual and group efforts at clean-up when neccasary and as a fine tuning. Businesses providing some cheap plastic bags by the door ,  with a reminder to carry it out for the fun of all. I'd make the F'in signs and pay for them myself and get F'in arrested for putting them up. That's my point, it needs some official credibility.  I worked for the Forest Service when I was young as a Wilderness Ranger. I was the first person to issue Wilderness Permits in the Sierras. We went through these same issues with easily accesible areas;  as I have also gone through them on my home river the Battenkill, which also has high traffic. I've organized clean-ups. I'd raise holy hell if I didn't live 3 1/2 hrs away. Whaddaya want,  I'm a dumb carpenter. 
Speaking of clean-ups- Why can't we do one  at the get together. What would it take for the 7 or 8 of us that are showing up to clean one little stretch . Not much , and it would probably be fun. I'll volunteer my truck for the garbage. There may be snow, but walk from the bridge to the wirehole and you'll find ****. Or anywhere else someone wants to clean.

Boyscouts, Trout Unlimited, Ducks Unlimited, Rod and Gun Clubs, bars, (annual Get Trashed! day) rotary club, schools, and  god forbid, forums  Any other orgs. that can be approached for volunteering some clean-up time?

  Cleanup is great but still dont wanna give up on the enforcement and signage parts. Actually would prefer to do a cleanup during the real trashy  time in OCT when THEY are there to see guys doin the dirty work. Subliminal subliminal.

 Agree Drake- they are droppin the ball big time in regard to the barrels and such. One per lot dont cut the mustard either. All the buckeroos the fishery brings in an they dont have any for trash- thats trash talk if I ever heard it.

ORIGINAL: retired guy

Believe they actually have to spend a percentage of gross locally too.

I believe they already spend a good chunk of ching paying for Poolaski medical clinic visits by out of town fisherfolks that get food-poisioned at the Poolaski BurgerKing...

It's a win-win for Mickey D's, goodwill & they pick up another customer from teir competition.

ORIGINAL: chosenfrozen1

i'm not sure but isn't there a group that runs a tourny for fish and trash pick up?

That's the LOTAC we'ver been talking about, Steve.
Here's a sign
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-do-you-say-%27please-keep-area-clean-and-free-of-trash-and-food%2C-thank-you%2C-management%27-in-russian

  Syracuse and Watertown are the only daily papers I see up there but there is a local Salmon River News that would probably carry somethin like this very well.   
   Its more of a periodical ( weekly ?) but has all the Pulaski Altmar  Richland and local things in it.
    Rome wasnt built in a day so maybe we can get them when we have the party. Might be a nice thing to do cause there may be a photo op and it could go well with the local folks too bout Fishermen being concerned with the area.    
   Am sure the LOTAC stuff gets around but the more the better.
Have seen them publicize cleanups in the past but this has a different twist with LE too. Imagine if a reporter started callin LE askin what they are gonna do??

When I was a kid a trip to McD's was a special event. Not like mother's these days that primarily feed their kids there. I remember a sign that said " if any of our trash is on your property, call us and we will pick it up". Maybe only in response to objection to them opening-I don't know. Don't know how long it lasted, but remember it(brain cells died later on in life). How about publicizing where the worst of the trash comes from? Maybe they would feel compelled to help.

I always pick up my own mess no matter the weight or amount that I may have.. Kinda like a old dog, ya just dont **** where you lie..
Along with that I pick up enough terminal tackle that lasts for a years fishing. One mans trash can surly be another's treasure..

As for some points made here:
yea there are some great folks who go the "extra" mile to just pick up what the find in their paths as well as organized clean-ups.. They are righteous folks indeed..

DSR: I paid, pay for the privilege to fish that private stretch for 2 reasons:
Nice clean environment & low pressured fish.. I think they are great Stewarts at keeping the area well kept from the help of their staff..

Now for the Letter or Organizing some sort of campaign..
Really folks it's all good things talked about here but quite honestly I'm not so inclined to take that sort of commitment on.. Not that I cant send off a letter, I can but to get really involved in all the effort it will take to truly organize things I just cant and wouldn't want to give false impressions..