letter

   Decided to write a letter to the NY State folks in charge of LE on the SR- gotta find the proper address and title for that LE agency--
  Gonna be very short and to the point-

  "Please strictly enforce littering statutes on the Salmon River - the place is turning into a garbage dump and strict enforcement may help.
    Quite frankly improvement on this issue alone will so enhance the Salmon River experience that other enforcement issues may well diminish as the result. If nothing else the entire ecosystem will be better off.
  Thank you for your attention to this matter- it has become the BUZZ subject for many fishermen on the river , your cooperation would be appreciated and noticed by all."

Agree, at this point I would rather see littering tickets given instead snagging tickets. The place is a garbage dump, and people do not care. Maybe if they lost their license for a bit they would think twice or better yet 40 hours of garbage pick up or you lose it.

ONE letter may well be round filed- how bout all of us and all the lurkers too?? Cmon guys a lousy stamp and I already wrote it for ya.
Ya got a putor- copy, fold -put in envelope and mail---Now  mail to whom ??
Actually gotta wonder bout the training facility right in Pulaski.

 Lets face a fact here- we complain bout this to each other and each other agrees- preachin to the Choir so to speak-- That dont get the job done so lets at least go out and be able to say we sent a lousy letter to those with the juice to really have an impact- ya know ---nothin ventured nothin lost---
 The more I think about it the more I think I may hand deliver mine over at that Training Facility next trip up---Those LE guys are right there at the river.

 You lurkers who can post on any other forums please do likewise and post this there too- Who knows??

Fishing education course?

It will a cold day in Haydes b4 I submit myself to a nonsensical fishing class that is totally unnecessary if the powers that be actually performed their duties. (and I don't buy the normal bureaucratic excuse of not enough manpower).

With all due respect JCY - your idea penalizes everyone due to the actions of the undesirables - and I must call BS on that.

We all know, - the major SR hotspots for trash dumping and illegal snagging. And LEO does also.
Both problems can easily be nipped in the bud, and IMO there is simply no excuse as to why it has not been.

RT:
I wish you the best with that letter.

By this time of year Charlie think the winds rains and high water have generally washed away a lot of the carp. When walking the river in Summer throwin stuff around for smalies or even a Atlantic  ( nutty effort) there is little litter still around.
 Soon as even rumors of fish  start the slobs quickly follow. The big floods really cleared it out but the knowledge that so much went into the lake was disturbing.

     E Mailed a more detailed letter to the NY DEC region 7 office in Syracuse this AM.- Will do it again in a month or so. - Still gonna follow up with the other letter too. -May well call the Chief in Pulaski concerning local enforcement.
More I think bout it madder I get.
   Although I agree bout the deposit thing have never seen money  make idiots not be idiots. It is easier for them to drop a styro coffee cup or worm box than go to a store and get a .50 return. Slobs.
  LOVE the concept of putting  littering fisherman on Facebook.( other forum post)

   Very Impressed with region 7 response- Letter already forwarded to LE and fisheries Div. Their response was super quick and very nice.
   Imagine if they got a few dozen or more asking for litter enforcement ?? Just perhaps---

Have always found region 7 to be quite helpful.

ORIGINAL: dimebrite

Trev, good job, positivity has a snow ball effect as does negativity... go ahead and post that link up... maybe even share with us the dialogue you used so we can hit them with similar angles...


Job well done

 
I've thought about doing this, so thanks for the push. I know Dime gave you permission to post the link, so I hope it's alright with him.
 

Sent to - reg7info@gw.dec.state.ny.us


This letter is to hopefully inform the DEC and appropriate law enforcement agencies as to the  economic and enviormental consequences of the enormous amounts of trash being deposited on the banks of the Salmon River. It has been widely discussed and is a issue of great importance to many fisherman, both resident and non-resident. If the current trend continues without abatement , economic consequences will  inevitably  result. I myself, for example, stayed away from the river for many years, due to trash and the snagging mentality. I've recently returned to fish in the winter and regularly spend several hundred dollars with local businesses. I'm considering stopping again, as the trash is absolutely disgusting and intolerable.I've had conversations with many, from as far away as  North Carolina  and California that feel the same.  It stands to reason, with enforcement and fines, signage and education, this trend can be stopped or at least moderated. I know of many , like myself,  that have  participated in clean-ups, individually and with groups. It is very disheartening to see the trash appear very shortly after an area is cleaned. I am hoping that budgetary constraints can be  overcome with rigorous  application of fines for littering and some consideration of the economy  this fishery generates. It's my hope and wish that this letter, and all like it , be passed on to other enforcement  agencies for their consideration. Thank you kindly for your good service to the public and the enviorment

Charles Lapinski

Same place Charlie- good job-
  The NY folks are VERY responsive- just got mail from the Forrest Rangers. Only have one for the region but staff took the time to write a nice note back to me concerning this issue.
     It went out to several agencies- believe other LE got it too.

Pound em guys

ORIGINAL: dimebrite

That's quite alright charlie; as long as you don't make a complete mockery and****hattery of me, my wife, my children, my physical appearance, the fish I catch, the restaurants I eat at, the beer I drink, and so on and so forth if I missed anything im sure someone will soon fill in the missing blanks but of course I wouldn't expect that from a gentleman like yourself having met ya a few times now

Btw, I like your letter. Very professional and to the point...

 
This is not the thread for it. And you're right, I wouldn't throw random insults.  Life's too short to have people F... with your head. It did sound like you were granting permission for Trev to post a link...
I hope alot of us write in. Maybe I can get a flyshop  In Manchester VT, that has an SR fan for an owner and  the Orvis flagship store (guys that run it are friends of mine  and fish the SR every year) to put up petitions to send. As soon as I find the most appropriate place to send them and get some ideas, I'll do it. It doesn't hurt to have people out of state that are spending bucks on out of state licenses and lodging etc... to have a voice.  I would think you guys that are property owners should have even more clout.  Maybe we  can figure out how to make the biggest bat possible. 
 
Charlie

Charlie i'll supply the timber for the bat also willing to help out and contribute in any way. I like the sound of "occupy salmon river".... just let me know

during octoberfest or winter?

    I know the Occupy SR was a joke but even a mention of stuff like that on the other end is a real deal breaker. Those folks are doin the job they are assigned to do.
      Its the 'assigners' who we are writing to simply requesting a priority shift.
We live in an age of E- mails, thats how my letter got around  so fast today.
     That said regular letters and petitions are great. A multi faceted approach signifies that there is more than one source of discontent and may well be quite productive.
  

ORIGINAL: retired guy


   We live in an age of E- mails, thats how my letter got around  so fast today.
   

e-mails are a great way for someone to get it off their desk onto to another's - without even leaving their chair.. Believe me, I deal with it everyday when trying to get answers from client's underling employees...

I agree with Metal - single letters are more effective, even the old fashioned type that require a stamp - they have to actually open the envelope and read it, and they stack up before they are read.