River walleye fishing

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2012/01/26 09:46:20 (permalink)

River walleye fishing

I'm having a problem getting the river walleye fishing figured out.  My question is on technique.  I'm using chubs, just on a hook fishing from shore.  How do you guys actually feel the fish biting?  With as much weight as I have to use to get the bait towards the bottom I'm finding it impossible to know if I'm getting a bite.  I have yet to catch anything so maybe it's as simple as I'm not getting any bites.  I'm getting frustrated and don't want to quit fishing, but I also don't want to be out there wasting my time.  Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.  If it matters I'm fishing below lock #9 for a few months now.
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    Jefff
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 09:58:05 (permalink)
    I mainly use artificials when I fish for river eyes from shore. Lipless cranks are my fav.

    If you have you heart set on live bait, try something like this:

    Fish finder line slider

    I mainly use those for cats but they should work if you are using heavier weights and still want to feel the nibbles. make sure u add a stopper in your rig. I like to use a swivel and a bead. U really shouldn't need to use anything heavier than an oz or 2 if fishing from shore IMO
    post edited by Jefff - 2012/01/26 10:01:53

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 10:08:11 (permalink)
    Try slower water. I'm hitting bottom w 1/8 oz jigs where I've caught the few that I have. Your chubs getting chewed up? If you're not occasionally reeling one in shredded to pieces, your not getting hits.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 10:37:49 (permalink)
    Ditto what was said above, you will know if you're getting hits. You may not feel them if you're using too much weight, but your chubs will have bite marks, guts ripped out, tails chewed off, etc...

    Walleye can be sluggish and lethargic in colder water; hence they will not move or expend much energy to track down a bait. If you're not getting hits it could be as simple you are not in an area where the fish are. The river walleye are more aggressive in the spring and fall, but alot of those include groups of smaller fish in the 10-12-14 inch range.

    Many of the larger walleye are caught by die hard anglers during the winter months; however do not expect to get into large numbers of fish this time of year. These guys might fish all day and night for 1 or 2 bites.

    As far as your set-up, use the least amount of weight possible. I typically like to use only 1 or 2 3/0 sized split shot. If you need more weight to hold your bait in the current, consider like someone mentioned above and use a slip sinker rig. That way when the fish bites it won't feel the resistance of your heavy sinker, and you should be able to detect the bites easier...Good luck
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 10:44:17 (permalink)
    swing and a miss... This guy got bit 3 times in 5 casts if I remember correctly. Right at dusk.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 11:01:18 (permalink)

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 12:20:41 (permalink)
    Thanks for the tips guys.  I going to say I need to move around more based on the two pics.  That's never happened to me.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 13:42:44 (permalink)
    ...its hard to 'lake fish' a river... everythings moving....keep your bait moving too. try to drift or bottom bounce when possible.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/26 18:05:29 (permalink)
    I use the exact rig Jefff mentioned.I put it above a barrel swivel then tie on a 8 lb. floro leader.I've been using a 1oz. pryamid sinker,if you keep your rod pointed at the sky leaning in a rod holder or forked stick you will be able to detect the slightest nibble.I can even tell when a mudpuppy is sucking on my minnow
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/27 01:02:35 (permalink)
    i like countdown rapalas...castem out let em sink a bit and reel in, pretty simple. have seen hair jigs working too jigged pretty slow, just depends on ur situation man
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/01/27 08:37:50 (permalink)
    find some slower water thats deep use a slip sinker w/ two ft leader just enough weight to get to botton 1/4 -1/2 usally works bites are very soft at times they feel as ur weight is rolling over a rock a very slow retrieve sometimes help, this time of yr can be trying at times but if you get into them its a bite for every cast

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 07:45:44 (permalink)
    is this a walleye or saugeye?
    post edited by FishinGuy - 2012/02/10 11:38:17
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 10:10:55 (permalink)
    It's either a Saugeye or a Walleye....the white on the bottom of the tail can only be one of those. IMO it's a walleye as the bottom of the anal fin also appears to be white.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 10:54:03 (permalink)
    Dark blotches on a walleye? I thought the blotches meant sauger or saugeye. Sorry for the pic quality it was snowing pretty good and my hands were wet, I couldn't clean the lens.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 11:08:37 (permalink)
    At least you caught something. I'm sure others will give their opinion but with both the tail and anal fin having white on it I'd stick with it being a walleye.

    I know for a fact that it's not a Sauger because Sauger don't have the white on the tail at all....and Saugeye don't have white on the anal fin.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 11:26:32 (permalink)
    "In saugeyes, a white spot is usually present at the tip of the lower caudal fin, also similar to walleyes." Straight from the pfbc site, I gotta say saugeye. Or just a funny looking walleye, I'm used to Erie fish that are usually just plain gold. Saugeye(or walleye) haven't been stocked in quite some time according to pfbc. Btw that small tiger musky I posted in another thread has me confused, the fish was only 22" and pfbc says tigers haven't been stocked there since 04 they grow that slow? Or did I misidentify that one too.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 11:42:10 (permalink)
    You're correct....saugeyes do have a white spot at the tip of the lower caudal fin. However, this is what I mentioned before. The caudal fin is the tail. I'm referring to the anal fin. Saugeyes don't have a white tip on the anal fin as the fish in your picture does.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 11:50:05 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: FishinGuy

    Dark blotches on a walleye? I thought the blotches meant sauger or saugeye....


    'Eyes do get the dark saddle bags...
    here's a stringer from pymie that shows it quite well...


    I've never caught a sauger or a saugeye...
    but that looks like a walleye to me too.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 11:52:26 (permalink)
    Cool, walleye it is, I've just never seen one so blotchy. They were hitting ok on wed, after I got to my 3rd spot of the day.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 11:52:42 (permalink)
    I'm really bad at judging the difference between the hybrids and the pure strains. I read an article one time that said that in areas where saugers and walleyes interbreed, that its almost impossible to find any pure strain of either fish. Almost every fish contains at least some DNA from both species. Kind of like every eastern coyote contains at least some wolf DNA...

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 12:01:06 (permalink)
    Cowboy...it all comes down to the genetic makeup of the fish. Even with the interbreeding the DNA sequence will still have certain peaks. Using those peaks it can be determined the parent strain of the fish. See the article below.

    Being able the tell the difference isn't an easy thing and I'm sure all of us haven't been incorrect more than a couple times. I'm generally only walleye fishing so I look for the white on the anal and the tail fin.

    http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/enewspages/ItsintheGenes/tabid/23156/Default.aspx

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 12:04:34 (permalink)
    If I had a pic of the dorsal, it would have been much easier I reckon
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 12:04:39 (permalink)
    You would certainly know better than me. I have a very difficult time doing it. One stream I fish has a resident population of saugers, but also has walleyes that run up it from the main river at certain times of year. I usually can't tell them apart.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 12:11:56 (permalink)

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    If I had a pic of the dorsal, it would have been much easier I reckon


    If they're hitting like you said they were just keep catching them, who cares what they are!

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/10 12:56:38 (permalink)
    When you catch a sauger you will know..very brown almost copper color.....
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/11 12:12:14 (permalink)
    100% walleye.

    I am not sure why saugeye come up in these conversations so frequently.  The coloring on them is very different from a typical walleye and closely resembles that of a sauger.  The easiest way to determine a sauger from a saugeye is by examining their dorsal.  Saugers have blotches on their dorsal fins, where saugeye have streaks with only a few spots on their dorsals.

    Even then, it is still a challenge to distinguish a sauger from saugeye, but distinguishing a walleye from those two is easy.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/11 12:17:30 (permalink)
    WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!!
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/11 13:07:47 (permalink)
    Sorry, I'm a river eye newb all the ones I caught prior to this in the rivers have been all gold, like an Erie fish. This one was real spotty, so I just figured I'd ask. I read the thing about the dorsal, now I know.
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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/11 14:26:16 (permalink)
    what esox said.

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    RE: River walleye fishing 2012/02/11 17:06:55 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter

    Even then, it is still a challenge to distinguish a sauger from saugeye, but distinguishing a walleye from those two is easy.



    If you're fishing the same body of water consistently yes. If you fish different bodies of water (and I'm sure you have) for walleye you'd notice that there can be color variations int he fish. Some that I've caught in the rivers (topic of this thread) definitely require a 2nd look to be sure of what species it is.

    Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths.
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