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2011/12/13 18:26:28 (permalink)

West Virginia Deer harvest up 38%

SOUTH CHARLESTON, W.Va. – Preliminary data collected from game checking stations across the state indicate deer hunters in West Virginia harvested 59,835 bucks during the two-week buck firearms season, which ran from November 21 through December 3, according to Frank Jezioro, Director of the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources (DNR). The 2011 buck harvest was 38 percent more than the 2010 harvest of 43,461. The top 10 counties for buck harvest were as follows: Preston (2,162), Randolph (2,039), Jackson (1,960), Mason (1,931), Greenbrier (1,803), Roane (1,743), Wood (1,703), Hampshire (1,661), Upshur (1,596) and Hardy (1,574).

This year’s buck harvest is significantly higher than last year, with increases occurring across all DNR districts. The largest percentage increases occurred in the western and southern counties. This year’s preliminary buck harvest remains 3 percent below the previous five-year average of 61,428.

Wildlife biologists and wildlife managers collected age-specific biological information at checking stations in 12 counties this year. Preliminary analysis indicates antler development was good and many hunters harvested older-aged bucks. Other contributing factors such as the exceptional acorn crop in the fall of 2010 and deer densities more in balance with the habitat in many areas combined to make this year’s deer season successful for many hunters.

“White-tailed deer are a product of the environment,” Jezioro said. “Too many deer on a given tract of land will result in loss of body weight, reduction in antler development, decrease in reproduction and sometimes death due to starvation during winter months. Hunters and landowners must continually assess their expectations of the proper number of deer sightings versus the visible impacts deer have on vegetation. We need help managing the state’s deer herd by participating and encouraging antlerless deer harvests where needed to benefit not only the deer herd, but all wildlife dependent on our state’s woodland habitat.”

Wildlife Biologists will analyze data from the combined 2011 deer seasons (i.e., buck, antlerless, archery and muzzleloader) before making appropriate recommendations for next year’s deer seasons. These recommendations will be available for public review at 12 regulations meetings scheduled for March 12 and 13, 2012 (see current 2011 - 2012 Hunting and Trapping Regulations Summary page 5 or visit the WVDNR website at www.wvdnr.gov for scheduled times and places).

Director Jezioro reminds hunters that the traditional six-day antlerless deer season in selected counties on both public and private land ends Saturday, December 10. Muzzleloader deer season begins December 12 and runs through December 17. The Youth and Class Q/QQ antlerless deer season will be open on Monday and Tuesday, December 26 and 27 in any county with a firearms deer season, and will be followed by a four-day reopening of antlerless deer season (December 28 - 31) in 42 counties or portions of counties (see 2011 - 2012 Hunting and Trapping Regulations Summary or visit the DNR Web site at www.wvdnr.gov for county and area listings).


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    DarDys
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 18:47:22 (permalink)
    That can't possibly be true since it was too warm in PA to have a good havest (just ask Doc) so it must have been too warm in WV to have a good harvest since the last week of their season and the first week of ours overlap to some degree.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 19:57:21 (permalink)
    Funny how they know their harvest/kill numbers so close to the season end with no guessing or fudge factor.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 20:11:37 (permalink)
    Did you read the part about them using check station rather than counting on hunters to report their harvest
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 21:47:16 (permalink)
    My point exactly.

    Works much better than over 50% of the hunters not reporting their harvest/kills. No guess work, real numbers. But I don't think our PGC wants that for some reason.

    Or using a paper postcard system that is so ripe for abuse over half the hunters that harvest/kill a deer don't even report, beacuse they know there are no consequenses for breaking the law.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 21:50:33 (permalink)
    Did you read the part about them using check station rather than counting on hunters to report their harvest

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    Yes but according to the PGC check stations are a waste of time, are too expensive, no business wants to have them, and they aren't any more accurate that guesstimating.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 21:56:43 (permalink)
    Estimating non-compliance rates of reporting is the major issue with the check stations.  Unless you believe that 100% of people report their kills, then it is just a less statistically valid method of calculating total harvest estimates.  And I am not even sure that the check station states even account for non-compliance at this point and actually just report the actual number checked. 

    Ohio did away with the check stations for this year and yet somehow they had their preliminary harvest data available immediately following their gun season
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 22:02:31 (permalink)
    Essox, I dont see how estimating noncompliance would be a problem if we wanted to go that route. If check stations would result in higher reporting rate , which it apparently does, Pgc could STILL use the same procedure that they do now to account for the non-compliance and end up with a much more accurate end product, No?

    Not arguing for check stations, just pointing this out. My overall opinion of check stations is "undecided". I believe they could be uses effectively, but I also think there are more effective efficient ways than check stations or our current system.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 22:08:19 (permalink)
    The most accurate method(and even it isn't foolproof) is Dardys suggestion of mandatory reporting regardless of kill or not. It may cost a half million or so more as claimed but it would solve the most contensious issue regarding Pa's deer herd.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 22:19:12 (permalink)
    I dont even think mandatory reporting would be that hard to achieve and prosecute.



    When you buy your general license which comes with buck tag, the clerk swipes your DL or ID card, which stores your info in a database (CID#). County treasurers issue doe tags and log them into a database based on your CID#
     
    Any computer nerd worth his salt can create a algorithm for data processing, which in turn can show which CID# did or didnt report a kill or no-kill 
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/13 22:48:22 (permalink)
    Telephone or comp reporting, everybody has access to at least one of these.
    As stated should be mandatory for all to report.

    You haven't reported in by the time new liscenses come out you don't get one.

    Not a fan of check stations myself, means hauling deer around and more work and gas.

    I will bet there isn't another state in the union that has as low a compliance rate as Penna. That I blame on the PGC for copping out on the enforcement. (Oops my card was lost in the mail).

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 07:23:59 (permalink)
    when i hunted in maine, in the most hunted areas there was a hunting lodge, outfitter, that was designated as the check point. easy enough for those that got a deer in that area. also there were check points along the interstate, at rest stops i recall, that you also had to stop to check your deer at.

    bings, you can make your place a check point for the amish!


    Ohio did away with the check stations for this year and yet somehow they had their preliminary harvest data available immediately following their gun season
    they must have counted shots!!

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 08:08:25 (permalink)
    When I hunted in Idaho, there was mandatory positive or negative reporting within five days of the close of the respective seasons -- elk, deer, etc.  If one did not report, they simply were not permitted to buy a license in that state the next few (three, I think) years.  It was quite an incentive to do report whether or not a harvest was made.  In addiiton, for those that react better to positive reenforcement rather than punative, those that reported were entered into a drawing for a "super tag" which awarded the winners (I don't recall how many there were) a tag, many of which had too be drawn and could take years to get enough points to do so, for each big game species in the state.
     
    While the super tag idea really isn't relavant here in PA because of the limited number of species, there is no reason that concept can't still come into play by offering up a number of bull elk tags for the drawing or even the trucks, guns, etc. that the PGC was kicking around using for a buy-a-hunting-license-enter-our-lottery idea.
     
    With access to computers and database software, a number of issue oriented questions could also be asked during the reporting process and the data could be compiled within a few hours of the close of the last reporting day for a particular season.
     
    Will a few not report and claim they did?  Sure.  Will some innocently make a mistake and not report?  Sure.  But that happens everyday in a variety of instances and the extremly small percentages are completely inconciquential when compared to the greater good gained by the wealth of data.
     
    Unless, of course, that data points in a completly different direction than policy.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 10:20:35 (permalink)
    I think that a chance at an extra-buck tag for the following year, or, free license for the following year could also be good incentives to increase the report rate.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 10:45:05 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: BenC

    I think that a chance at an extra-buck tag for the following year, or, free license for the following year could also be good incentives to increase the report rate.


    I think it should be mandated as a responsibility of every license holder- without any incentive - whether or not they hunt deer.

    3 choices - successful, unsuccessful, did not hunt.


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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 10:49:29 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: draketrutta

    I think it should be mandated as a responsibility of every license holder- without any incentive - whether or not they hunt deer.

    3 choices - successful, unsuccessful, did not hunt.





    +1
     
    i never understood why there should be an incentive for people that follow the rules, the law or perform their regular duties!
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 11:27:34 (permalink)
    I agree.  I was just tossing out a positive reenforcement incentive to counterbalance the negative, punative one of not being able to buy a license should one not report.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 11:33:35 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: DarDys

    I agree.  I was just tossing out a positive reenforcement incentive to counterbalance the negative, punative one of not being able to buy a license should one not report.

     
    there you go with that ubersnob high class talk again.
    just say it in english we all understand

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 14:50:40 (permalink)
    I am pretty sure that it is already mandated that deer harvests be reported, but that is clearly not enough to get accurate data.

    If the goal is to increase the reporting then incentives will achieve that.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 15:01:37 (permalink)
    Under 50% report now, I think is the current number not sure.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 15:08:48 (permalink)
    The most accurate method(and even it isn't foolproof) is Dardys suggestion of mandatory reporting regardless of kill or not. It may cost a half million or so more as claimed but it would solve the most contensious issue regarding Pa's deer herd.


    So they just add 75 cents to the license fee. Since it isnt going into the general fund and would be for something that most of us, including pgc claims to want...more accurate data, I dont see the legislators as being unwilling to pass such a deal to allow the funding. They did so for the Pals deal.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 15:10:10 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: doubletaper

    ORIGINAL: DarDys

    I agree.  I was just tossing out a positive reenforcement incentive to counterbalance the negative, punative one of not being able to buy a license should one not report.


    there you go with that ubersnob high class talk again.
    just say it in english we all understand

     
    Okie Dokey.
     
    Negative incentive -- you don't file a report, whether or not you harvested (killed, whatever), you no get a license for three years.
     
    Positive incentive -- you file a report, whether or not you killed (harvested, whatever) you get a chance at prize
     
    But no matter what, everybody files a report.

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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 19:57:02 (permalink)
    Explain to me what is gained from having a person file a negative report? The only advantage I can see is if they ask who didn’t hunt and using that to determine a success rate. Is that little bit of information worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars it would cost and if so why? If everyone who harvests files a report it is pretty easy to just subtract that from the total number who bought a license to find out how many didn’t harvest. Then you would have just saved several hundred thousand in funds that could be used for better habitat or various other wildlife management projects.
     
    I do know that a few of the Commissioners are looking at ways of doing away with the mail in report and going to more computer, phone, etc. reporting methods where the person has to report and record, and perhaps even mark their tag, with a confirmation number. If they do that it should also make it easier for the WCOs to convict the people not reporting, provided the courts do their part and find them guilty after they are charged.
     
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 20:05:28 (permalink)
    If everyone who harvests files a report it is pretty easy to just subtract that from the total number who bought a license to find out how many didn’t harvest. Then you would have just saved several hundred thousand in funds that could be used for better habitat or various other wildlife management projects.


    Your own historical data from as far back as reporting was required shows that your present method doesn't work and gives no reason to believe at it ever will. Right or not it isn't working and the rational person would admit it and find another way to acheive the desired goal.

    Requiring everyone to send a report successful or not with enforced penalities for non-compliance is a statistically valid method to assure you have 100% reporting and if reporting is as necessary as the PGC says it is is well worth the money.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 20:12:50 (permalink)
    There is always room for improvement.  The better the available data, the better the decisions will be based on said data. 
      
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 20:26:34 (permalink)
        Just a question after reading all the suggested methods of improving hunter response to Kill reports in PA
      Did West Virginia change anything this year in its hunter kill reporting  system ???
      38% seems HUGE without some kinda systems change.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 20:36:08 (permalink)
    Last year was down so they probably shot the ones saved last year. Overall the harvest is near the historical average.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 20:36:44 (permalink)
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 21:47:18 (permalink)
         Thats more like it-- 38% seems huge for one year but the fact that it is more of an average or 'normal' number indicates other issues (weather?) having big negative impact in recent past. 
      The 38 looked like a real big deal when it is looked at standing alone however may in fact just be getting back to normal  ??
       They musta had a coupla real poor seasons recently for that to have happened- hey- that puts kinda the opposite spin on it than the initial 38 jump indicated.
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    RE: West Virginia Deer harvest up 38% 2011/12/14 21:52:16 (permalink)
    This year's preliminary buck harvest (38% more than last year)remains 3 percent below the previous five-year average of 61,428.

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