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Ohio Deer Harvest Down 14% ===
Ohio's firearms deer hunters see 14 percent kill decline By Jeffrey L. Frischkorn, Willoughby News-Herald (Ohio) – Dec. 5, 2011 Even with the best of hunting weather on Saturday, Ohio’s 420,000 deer chasers couldn’t make up for all of the ground lost during the gun season’s first four weather-miserable days. However, the deficit shrank from 39 percent on Opening Day, Nov. 28, to 17 percent on Friday, Dec. 2, to “only†14 percent when the seven-day season concluded on Sunday. In all, the state’s deer herd was trimmed by 90,282 animals. For the 2010, seven-day firearms deer-hunting season, sportsmen killed 105,034 deer. Hunters “clearly took advantage of the weather†as the week progressed, though the total deer killed numbers don’t reflect significant gains when compared to Saturday, 2010, said Mike Tonkovich, the Ohio Division of Wildlife’s deer management administrator. On Saturday, Ohio’s deer hunters checked in 16,677 animals compared 16,463 deer taken on the gun season’s lone Saturday in 2010. “While other factors may have been at work, it is clear that extreme weather – good or bad – on key harvest days can have a significant impact on the bottom line,†Tonkovich said. “I do have to say - on speculation only - that more hunters were out on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday than usual; likely people who were hunting locally and not traveling to a deer camp. With tags in their pocket, guys are going to find a way to fill them.†Hunters still have a weekend of firearms deer hunting season left; Dec. 17 and 18. Weather-determining this hunt could yield a kill of around 20,000 animals. However, Tonkovich says that before eliminating this season the state would trim bag limits or place further antlerless permit restrictions. “Based on way the season has gone so far I don’t see making this recommendation,†Tonkovich says. The statewide muzzle-loader deer-hunting season will be held January 7 through 10, 2012. Participants in this season also typically shoot about 20,000 deer. Meanwhile, the state’s archery hunters have until Feb. 5, 2012 to fill their remaining deer tags. For the late season archery hunters can be called on to kill an additional 20,000 deer as well. “The big picture has to be the major goal and we won’t know that until all of the dust settles at the end of the hunting year,†Tonkovich said. As far as implement type used during this year’s firearms deer-hunting season, the breakdown was: 75,896 deer taken with shotguns, 405 with crossbows, 213 with longbows, 12,150 with muzzle-loaders, 1,050 with handguns, and remainder were killed by unknown implement type, Tonkovich said as well. Also, says Matt Ortman, the Wildlife Division administrator in charge of the state’s hunter education program, reports that the seven-day season saw only six non-fatal hunting accidents, officially called “incidents.†Last year that figure was eight. O hio’s last fatal firearms deer-hunting incident was in 2009, Ortman said also. Here is the county-by-county 2011 seven-day firearms deer-hunting season kill with their respective 2010 figures in parenthesis: Adams – 1,727 (1,639); Allen – 293 (440); Ashland – 1,096 (1,350); Ashtabula – 1,777 (2,400); Athens – 2,059 (2,147); Auglaize – 192 (245); Belmont – 2,431 (2,736); Brown – 1,229 (1,423); Butler – 345 (401); Carroll – 2,252 (2,952); Champaign – 554 (613); Clark – 276 (295); Clermont – 980 (1,215); Clinton – 373 (391); Columbiana – 1,738 (2,391); Coshocton – 3,690 (4,288); Crawford – 441 (568); Cuyahoga – 37 (38); Darke – 223 (265); Defiance – 725 (910); Delaware – 594 (696); Erie – 137 (157); Fairfield – 1,152 (1,258); Fayette – 104 (114); Franklin – 170 (142); Fulton – 302 (438); Gallia – 1,844 (1,899); Geauga – 623 (738); Greene – 287 (293); Guernsey – 2,982 (3,309); Hamilton – 298 (306); Hancock – 402 (576); Hardin – 354(567); Harrison – 2,772 (3,547); Henry –279 (505); Highland – 1,432 (1,527); Hocking – 2,184 (2,138); Holmes – 2,013 (2,529); Huron – 925 (1,007); Jackson – 1,515 (1,742); Jefferson – 2,044 (2,564); Knox – 2,480 (3,141); Lake – 185 (178); Lawrence – 1,574 (1,449); Licking – 2,678 (3,003); Logan – 760 (845); Lorain – 739 (863); Lucas – 129 (164); Madison – 167 (185); Mahoning – 563 (672); Marion – 320 (428); Medina – 556 (633); Meigs – 1,974 (1,941); Mercer – 203 (248); Miami – 194 (212); Monroe – 1,960 (2,180); Montgomery – 144 (117); Morgan – 1,804 (1,962); Morrow – 851 (1,007); Muskingum – 3,223 (3,683); Noble – 2,028 (2,229); Ottawa – 81 (88); Paulding – 416 (610); Perry – 1,832 (2,126); Pickaway – 466 (570); Pike – 1,077 (1,102); Portage – 644 (740); Preble – 267 (253); Putnam – 238 (364); Richland – 1,714 (2,169); Ross – 1,723 (1,792); Sandusky – 195 (214); Scioto – 1,224 (1,250); Seneca – 603 (849); Shelby – 305(376); Stark – 661 (744); Summit – 151 (198); Trumbull – 1,060 (1,305); Tuscarawas – 3,180 (4,038), Union – 354 (391); Van Wert – 194 (358); Vinton – 1,577 (1,579); Warren – 412 (451); Washington – 2,225 (2,555); Wayne – 644 (869); Williams –787 (1,001); Wood – 208 (305); Wyandot – 661 (838); Total – 90,282 (105,034).
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/07 18:35:06
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I would venture a guess that the primary cause was a lack of hunters in the woods based on what I saw Fri-Sun. I would also beg to differ that their hunting is not so good. The 3 days I spent hunting public land out there far exceeded any public land experience I ever had here in PA.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/07 18:44:54
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I based the heading on the fact so many say the deer hunting is not good in Pa based on declining harvest percentages from year to year ....
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/07 18:50:02
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I hear ya Doc. Plenty of good hunting to be had in both states despite declining harvests This is purely speculative, but I would look for the gun season harvest to be down in my neck of the woods. I will cite the reasons for my guess as poor weather and lack of hunters.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/07 19:36:00
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ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter This is purely speculative, but I would look for the gun season harvest to be down in my neck of the woods. I will cite the reasons for my guess as poor weather and lack of hunters. Same here for the same reasons. I expected the 2A buck harvest to increase significantly with the reduced ARs but with the observed lack of pressure I am seeing, that may not happen.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/07 20:06:35
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Really Doc? Talk about a generalization. Have you hunted in Ohio? If its so bad why is Ohio #5 in Pope and Young? One season of bad weather does NOT make it NOT so good
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/08 07:38:07
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Pro Angler Posts: 3989 Joined: 1/21/2005 Status: online quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter This is purely speculative, but I would look for the gun season harvest to be down in my neck of the woods. I will cite the reasons for my guess as poor weather and lack of hunters. Same here for the same reasons. I expected the 2A buck harvest to increase significantly with the reduced ARs but with the observed lack of pressure I am seeing, that may not happen. _____________________________ My rifle is a black rifle Ahhh, but don't forget that due to the change in antler restrictions the buck harvest SHOULD INCREASE by 12% per the PGC. We have weather evey year, last year it was deep snow. Besides, the PGC said hunter numbers are on the upswing. As for Ohio's deer hunting, a person should really try it before posting an article and then trying to twist it's meaning to support an incorrect assumption.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/08 07:39:48
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ORIGINAL: S-10 Ahhh, but don't forget that due to the change in antler restrictions the buck harvest SHOULD INCREASE by 12% per the PC. We have weather evey year, last year it was deep snow. Besides, the PGC said hunter numbers are on the upswing. Be interesting to see the data when it is all said and done.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/08 07:43:24
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I'am sure we will have had another great season as a result of their actions.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/08 08:54:10
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I love hunting Ohio. Yet to connect, but have had very very exciting experiences with very nice bucks. Won't quit going there anytime soon!
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 13:58:39
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Why would Doc hunt another state? He would just buy a doe tag anyway! Ive hunted Ohio for a long time,although I've never killed a giant in Ohio,I've seen quite a few 140 plus deer over the past 8 years it's just a matter of time.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 15:07:38
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Ohio hunting sucks. Pa is paradise. Learn Sumpin' new every day. I also hear Florida, Rhode Island and Timbuktu are all pretty good...Whereas those worthless places like Kansas, Iowas, illinois etc... Basically useless from deer hunter standpoint anyway. lmao. Seems to me the issue was addressed: "Ohios 420,000 deer chasers couldnt make up for all of the ground lost during the gun seasons first four weather-miserable days." And while I cant attest to or against the weather assessment, Id tend to accept it more coming from deer management that does indeed have a fair level of credibility. Very much unlike our own, who would blame a 50% decline on weather, instead of the insane 7 million tags, if we had mist rain at 4 pm on the second Thursday lmao.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 15:59:06
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Stock car races, baseball games and family picnics get rained out. Deer hunts are not supposed to be on that list. Hunting is a foul weather sport by nature. You step outdoors in fall and winter and you tangle with the elements as much as with the wits of the wild game. But this year there was more foul in the weather than many of Ohio's deer hunters had ever encountered before. Ohio's gun season for white-tailed deer began recently, and it opened in the middle of a deluge. In many places around the state it poured from start to finish on opening day. That is customarily the day when the most hunters are in the fields and woods around the state, and when they enjoy the most success. The initial count for one very soggy Monday opener showed Ohio hunters had brought back about 23,600 whitetails, which was down nearly 40 percent from last season when the weather was in a much more cooperative mood. Hunting in the rain was not the issue. It was the intensity of the rain that made it nearly impossible to hear or see much in some parts of the state, while most of Ohio had a bigger issue with the volume of rain. The system dumped two or three inches of rain in some sections of the state, within about a 48-hour window. All of that precipitation landed on already saturated ground in many areas, so flooding was a major issue. Many individual accounts from deer hunters revealed their high level of frustration. Guys who had scouted prime deer habitat for months, meticulously mapped the areas, and put together a solid plan of attack for opening day saw nothing but water at first light. Large tracts of woods where deer have been found in significant numbers were inundated. They looked more like the Okefenokee Swamp that straddles the Georgia-Florida border. Meadows that held so much promise a month ago were now rice paddies with shin-deep water. An informal survey revealed that not many hunters stayed home, despite the lousiest of conditions. They just had to alter their plans on the fly, hunt areas they were not familiar with, and therefore just roll the dice and hope to have an opportunity. But very few successful deer hunts have been based on hope. Some hunters resorted to cross-dressing, outdoors-style. They slipped off their boots, pulled out the fishing waders, and made an effort to keep dry while traversing the brushy flood plains of area rivers. Others searched for any high ground, which in this part of the state is hard to come by. Many reported encountering streams and ditches that they could normally step across, but were now these raging torrents of coffee-colored froth. By noon, some deer hunters just gave up. Despite the prevailing theory that all that water would push the whitetails into a much smaller area, and theoretically increase the odds for success, the opposite scenario played out. Fewer deer were seen by most hunters. The committed hunters pressed on. The rain eventually stopped, but the water was very slow to recede. Some hunters came back the second day better prepared for the unusual circumstances. Conditions normally improve as winter moves in, and Ohio's creative deer permit program will offer additional opportunities for deer gun hunters, while the growing legion of archery hunters enjoy more than three months of hunting time. The 2011 deer gun season will be one for the record books not for the number of deer taken or for any unusual amount of trophies. It will be one where the rain gauge was the primary factor impacting hunting success rates. Ohio's deer hunters learned that you can have the best plan around, but sometimes you just get rained out.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 16:32:20
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There is NO comparison between OH and PA. In OH the ratio is just about 1 for 1. But the main reason I would take OH over PA every time is the quality. A buck scoring 140 is not that rare. We have seen bucks well over 170. This past fall was our best AND worst trip. My brother killed a 10 that scored about 138(he has a 144 on the wall from OH). But it was massive! He goes 260 and the buck made him look tiny. It broke our deer cart trying to get it out of the woods! The cart was rated at 275 and was only 2 years old! I on the other hand sat for 5 days and never saw a deer on stand!(saw many leaving property in the dark). I have missed 2 wall hangers(nerves) that went at least 140-150 with a bow.(they still both haunt me!) In all my 27 years of deer hunting in PA, I have never seen a buck over 140 while hunting. I have seen many in OH and I have only been bow hunting there for 7 years. Where would you rather hunt?
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 19:34:00
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You guys are completely missing the point... sure it was the weather.. just like weather effects the PA harvest, but how many still say it is because of AR and HR evry year and don't want to hear about weather.. it's all the PGC fault....... harvests and hunter numbers are declining everywhere ... and weather even makes it worse... the point is many things effect the harvest totals ... it's not all the fault of the game officals in any state...
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 19:39:47
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your missing the point, Doc. When you created a title of "Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good" is loaded, un-educated and purely opinionated statement Ohio is Top 5 Pope and Young. It is a good deer hunting state, way better than PA in every phase
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 19:53:15
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Evidently you did not read the posts last year when the PGC posted similar figures and stated about the weather and guys said ... BULL.. it was the fact there are only a few deer left in Pa.. I have friends that live and hunt in Ohio.. when it comes to bucks Ohio because of a differnt general habitat it produce more and better bucks... but Pa is improving every year... and IF I was that concerned about getting nice bucks and a little easy "woods" to hunt rather than these mountains ..I too may wish to hunt Ohio.. but I am 100% happy/satisfied hunting right here at home.... I'll go back and change the heading since it seems to be upset a few of you ...
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 20:00:19
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Evidently you did not read the posts last year when the PGC posted similar figures and stated about the weather and guys said ... BULL.. it was the fact there are only a few deer left in Pa.. Doc, the deer herd level and harvests that folks are complaining about here in Pa arent due to weather. They have been consistently low for a number of years now.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 20:04:25
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and IF I was that concerned about getting nice bucks and a little easy "woods" to hunt rather than these mountains ..I too may wish to hunt Ohio.. but I am 100% happy/satisfied hunting right here at home.... There again is a foolish statement from someone who has never hunted where the big Ohio bucks are taken. I'am not sure how he can even form an opinion on buck hunting given his buck hunting history. Get out of your backyard a time or two before you tell us about hunting other states.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 20:21:03
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Gotta say Ohio has some pretty hard places to hunt. Nasty terain. Ain't all flatlands.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 20:25:52
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Some very interesting reading on the Ohio DCNR sight about their deer herd. One graph shows how an excellent mast crop made the success ratio for hunters go down in those years with the mast. Sure do seem to have a pretty good grasp on their deer numbers there to. Doesn't seem to be alot of guess work as in other states...
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2011/12/09 20:26:50
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S Would you not agree, that most big Ohio bucks are found in the same terrain, as most big Penna. bucks are found. Terrain that the average Penna. hunter doesn't/won't hunt? And those Penna. hunters that DO score big bucks in Ohio, aren't typical Penna. hunters?
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2011/12/09 20:33:23
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"One graph shows how an excellent mast crop made the success ratio for hunters go down in those years with the mast." I could see how it could show the correlation, but I'd like to know how it explains the correlation. I mean it's not like a large baitfish population making tough fishing. As you're not trying to entice the deer to eat. Just curious?
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 20:37:42
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Here is the top producing counties in the top 10 P&Y States.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 21:04:30
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Would you not agree, that most big Ohio bucks are found in the same terrain, as most big Penna. bucks are found. Of course MOST are. But I have no doubt more book bucks are taken on public lands in Ohio than on public lands in Pa, even though Pa has a ton of public lands. There are some noted public land trophy hunting in Ohio on portions of the Wayne national forest that are well known. Also on the large Shawnee nat'l Forest and a few of the public hunting areas. Having hunted a couple public areas and per hour invested, having seen WAAAY more "good" bucks per hour on average than Pa on mostly private but open to others lands... Pa just doesnt compare favorably in any sense. If it were more convenient, Id hunt Ohio ALOT more often than Pa. Comparing Oh to Pa to me is ludicrous. I know folks from southcentral ohio that laugh at Pa and its "little bucks" and they have the mounts, and even some very respectable racks that are some of their "lesser" harvests nailed to the friggin barn! to back up those words. I have relatives in Northeast ohio that come to visit Pa regularly, but wouldnt waste their time hunting here on a bet when they have it so much better as they see it. The area that Ive hunted most in past years and am most familiar with conditions is the nearest, a few counties in the southeast region. Again, much better hunting than 60 or 80 miles east. Comparing the two states is like comparing a supermodel to rosanne bar. I dont think i need to explain which is which. lol.
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2011/12/09 21:13:24
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ORIGINAL: spoonchucker "One graph shows how an excellent mast crop made the success ratio for hunters go down in those years with the mast." I could see how it could show the correlation, but I'd like to know how it explains the correlation. I mean it's not like a large baitfish population making tough fishing. As you're not trying to entice the deer to eat. Just curious? It appears the deer do not have to travel as much to feed when the mast crop is up. Here's the link.. Pages 8-9. http://www.ohiodnr.com/Portals/9/pdf/pub304.pdf
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 21:20:00
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Would you not agree, that most big Ohio bucks are found in the same terrain, as most big Penna. bucks are found. Terrain that the average Penna. hunter doesn't/won't hunt? And those Penna. hunters that DO score big bucks in Ohio, aren't typical Penna. hunters? 1. As with fishing, 20% of the hunters in any state take 80% of the bucks because of skill, ability, and willingness to spend the time and effort necessary to be successful. 2. In spite of claims to the contrary, when you talk to outfitters and guides from other states, Pa. hunters have a reputation of being the hardest and most dedicated hunters on average of any state in the nation. 3. You can't really compare the type of terrian Ohio or any midwestern state has with Pennsylvania just as Doc's mountains would be rolling hills to someone from West Virginia. Spend a few days bowhunting in Illinois river bottoms in chest waders during a drought and you will see what I mean. 4. You do tend to find them in the more inaccessiable areas the particular area has to offer except during the rut when they could show up in your backyard.
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 21:23:51
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In other words where, or near where the food is if you want success. A good reason to avoid the ANF, eh
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RE: Ohio Deer Hunting NOT so Good
2011/12/09 21:28:57
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Have you ever been in the ANF when the acorns were so thick you couldn't walk without stepping on 3 or 4 of them at a time. The deer didn't have any problem finding enough to eat in the decade leading up to herd reduction. The foresters don't like striped maple but the deer thrive on the stuff. A heavy mast crop in any state will reduce the deer harvest because the deer don't have to move as much to find feed and the deer are scattered over a larger area making them harder to find and scouting is harder because there is no predictable travel pattern.
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