So the hunters need to regulate the deer herd based on their personal opinions of the deer herd in their area

ORIGINAL: Bull Lifter

you know Doc, for the past 7 years as you are saying and the past 100...the PGC still uses a guess system..."educated" as they say... I know for facts 2B herds are out of wack with low numbers. and areas are still jumping off limbs. and WE all know its due to Access to that land. Thats the biggest issue the GC didnt factor in...

I would love to revise the 2B map, and the season. The 2B season was always the two weeks with a rifle for a "antlerless"
with the regular firearms. I was reading in the 2009season someone thought different? or was it the extended two weeks after the the intial two weeks of muzzle loader season? Regardless, it shouldnt even be that long with "any weapon". I'm sure the PGC knew that the pa hunters would take full advantage of the season, but in regards of them caring later...apparently they don't.

All i can say, is that 2B map was the so layed out over the"green" on a human population map its absurd. They weren't caring about over populated deer...they cared about deer herd around people. That's all i hear from people that live in plans..."there are so many deer in my back yard." my question- can you hunt? their answer- "no"

so what is the Game commissions answer? try to kill all the deer possible surrounding anywhere in hopes the deer behind houses move out??? thats just a silly theory, but some truth in it if you think about it...

As far as it stands now, i can't see the population of deer ever increasing in 2b with the way people are, and the way seasons lay, and the way its "endless" tags.



which brings up another story......i've heard and seen people use a 2B tag for another WMU...and if they actually turn that tag in......2B looks like its better.

the white tail deer restricts its movements to about 1 square mile

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

the white tail deer restricts its movements to about 1 square mile

I do not know if the "travels" of the collared deer is out there for the general public on the PGC website or not, but I have been "privy" to some of those results and many of them "migrate" more than a square mile..

One female traveled/migrated over THREE COUNTIES away from where it was collared.... and I forget how far one of the buck traveled.. maybe RSB could give us some fact on the collared deer movements.. ??

December 26, 2010
By Tom Venesky
It takes an extraordinary effort for a radio-collared deer to elude Jim Stickles.



This young buck was photographed by a trail camera earlier this month in the Loyalville area. In February it was trapped by the Pennsylvania Game Commission in Montrose and fitted with a radio-collar as part of a study. It traveled approximately 40 miles since then to reach Luzerne County.

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Radio collars provide valuable information on deer
The radio collars that the PGC’s Jim Stickles uses not only give him the location of a particular deer, but it tells him if the animal is dead or alive. The animal’s movement triggers a mechanism inside the collar to emit a beep per second. If the deer stops moving for six to eight hours, the mechanism will beep twice every second, indicating the animal has died or the collar was removed.

Buck’s 40-mile journey a big benefit to gene pool
PGC biologist Kevin Wenner said the 40-mile journey of a young buck from Montrose to Loyalville this year is not only impressive, but a huge benefit to the gene pool as well. Such drastic movements result in a mix of the genetics in a particular area, he said.

It also explains why twin fawns usually have separate fathers, according to Wenner.

“It’s not like a herd of beef cows with a bull that are fenced in where you control it,” Wenner said. “In a wild setting, you might see a large buck with some doe and assume he’s doing all the breeding in the area, but that’s far from the truth.

“That buck is likely to move on during the rut and another buck can move in and breed her when she’s in heat again, as evident by twin fawns not having the same father.”
As the field crew leader for the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s Deer and Elk Section in Wildlife Management Unit 3C, Stickles is in charge of monitoring the movements of almost 300 deer that were trapped and fitted with radio collars during the last two years.

If a particular animal turns up missing from its original capture site, Stickles will intensely monitor a 10-mile radius around the area and is usually able to locate the deer. If that doesn’t work, he takes to the sky and uses a plane and aerial telemetry to find it.

But for most of the summer and fall, one deer – a young buck – has been able to elude Stickles and his high-tech devices.

The deer was originally trapped and collared in February in Montrose, Susquehanna County. In the early summer it left the area and was documented again in Springville, in the southern part of the county.

By the end of October, however, Stickles wasn’t able to find the young buck.

Until now.

On Dec. 1, a Loyalville resident contacted the PGC about a deer photographed on a trail camera that had a collar. PGC biologist Kevin Wenner looked at the pictures and recognized the collar as those being used by the agency as part of its four-year study designed to measure the impacts of a special five-day antlered/seven-day concurrent season established in 2008.

Wenner called Stickles, who came to the area and immediately located and identified the deer as the missing buck.

That it turned up in Loyalville after being collared in Montrose earlier in the year meant the buck traveled approximately 40 miles.

“That’s quite a distance for a deer to travel,” Stickles said. “It’s not the first 40-mile dispersal, but it’s not common either.”

During the first two years of the study only one other deer – a doe – traveled farther with a 42-mile jaunt in the north-central part of the state.

ORIGINAL: RSB

ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout

the white tail deer restricts its movements to about 1 square mile

I do not know if the "travels" of the collared deer is out there for the general public on the PGC website or not, but I have been "privy" to some of those results and many of them "migrate" more than a square mile..

One female traveled/migrated over THREE COUNTIES away from where it was collared.... and I forget how far one of the buck traveled.. maybe RSB could give us some fact on the collared deer movements.. ??

One of the young bucks was collared in eastern Cameron County and dispersed, I think it was 43 miles (might have only been 34 miles I can’t remember which without looking it up) to where it lost its collar as an adult in the extreme western part of Elk County.
 
I don’t know what the longest movement has been for a doe.
 
R.S. Bodenhorn